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Re: Childhood experiences of homosexual men

nona the brit — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:37:48 GMT

To me, the idea of having a fear of injury is very sensible, not 'unmasculine' in any way. To be unafraid of injury is surely a sign of stupidity? Although perhaps 'injury' would need to be defined here. Would she count slightly cutting your finger an injury? To be afraid of such things is rather pathetic in either boys or girls. Or is she thinking of the 'breaking your leg' type injury? And in any case, to recognise a risk - be afraid of something - does not mean that you necessarily avoid taking that risk. You are just taking it in a knowing manner rather than an unthinking manner.

Re: Childhood experiences of homosexual men

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:37:48 GMT

I come within the "substantial portion of homosexual men who exhibited chronic, persistent unmasculinity in childhood showed no symptoms of effeminacy", but feel the need to comment on each "symptom". A Fear of Injury No doubt about that one and it still applies today. (Not to be confused with a fear of pain.) It links with E. B Fear of Rough-and-tumble play Is this not just an aspect of A and simply the way it is most likely to be manifested? C Non-participation in group sports This has a lot to do with A (have you felt how hard cricket balls are?) and B (most group sports involve bodily contact). Also most, if not all, sports, whether group or not, involve some form of body/eye coordination, which is an aspect of...

Re: Childhood experiences of homosexual men

Englishuser — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 04:37:48 GMT

Hi Anon, You wrote: Actually it is hard to be like that and still I suffer from that To be like what? Englishuser

Re: Childhood experiences of homosexual men

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:37:48 GMT

Actually it is hard to be like that and still I suffer from that

Re: Childhood experiences of homosexual men

Anonymous — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 04:37:48 GMT

Englishuser wrote: What do you think of O'Leary's views? She seems to have a 'sissy' fixation. Maybe it's a wierd contortion of midlife penis envy. I really wonder about her childhood. I wonder how many pink ribbons she tied around members in her sissy club. It would be good for her condition should she resume her basket weaving lessons. It would a far greater service to mankind. (Sheesh, what a bored and boring fruitloop! )

Re: Childhood experiences of homosexual men

MrPedantic — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 04:37:48 GMT

Hello EU Thanks for the stats. Out of interest, does it state how the controls were selected? MrP

Re: Childhood experiences of homosexual men

Englishuser — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 04:37:48 GMT

Hi Sextus, You said: I must honestly admit that I am not. But it is interesting to know that you are. Why is it so interesting to know that? Englishuser

Re: Childhood experiences of homosexual men

Sextus — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 04:37:48 GMT

I must honestly admit that I am not. But it is interesting to know that you are.

Re: Childhood experiences of homosexual men

Englishuser — Wed, 27 May 2009 03:37:48 GMT

Hi Sextus, You asked: Out of curiousity: is that the kind of book you buy and read? Why not? I'm interested in cross-gender behaviours of all kinds. What about you? Englishuser

Re: Childhood experiences of homosexual men

Sextus — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:37:48 GMT

Out of curiousity: is that the kind of book you buy and read?

Re: Childhood experiences of homosexual men

Englishuser — Wed, 27 May 2009 03:37:48 GMT

Hi MrPedantic, You asked: Does the article also contain statistics to support the suggestions, EU? Yes: A history of gender identity pathology (including effeminacy and chronic, extreme unmasculinity) is much more common among men who are predominately or exclusively homosexual than among men who are predominately or exclusively heterosexual. This correlation between childhood gender identity disturbance and persistent, predominant homosexuality during adulthood has been noted by many investigators using diverse strategies and methods of research (e.g., Bell, Weinberg & Hammersmith 1978 , 1981 ; Bieber et al, 1962 ; Green

Re: Childhood experiences of homosexual men

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:37:48 GMT

1) Effeminacy Effeminate mannerism Does crossing ones legs count? Cross dressing, using make-up, fascination with women's clothes and hair I don't cross dress, but I certainly have a fascination with womens clothes and hair. I especially like to look at half open blouses and short skirts. Doll play Guilty! I'd love to play around with Ginger from Gilligan's Island. Expressed desire to be a girl, attempts to hide penis Can't say I ever wanted to be a girlie, but I love a good game of hide the penis (so does Mary-Anne) Fantasy play taking female roles, attraction to female characters in stories 50% on this one. I'm very attracted to that chick in Dark Angel ...

Re: Childhood experiences of homosexual men

Sextus — Wed, 27 May 2009 03:37:48 GMT

No idea; I haven't done research in that area.

Re: Childhood experiences of homosexual men

MrPedantic — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 04:37:48 GMT

Does the article also contain statistics to support the suggestions, EU? MrP

Childhood experiences of homosexual men

Englishuser — Wed, 27 May 2009 03:37:48 GMT

Dale O'Leary in her article Childhood experiences of homosexual men for NARTH: Adult homosexual men frequently recall feeling different from other boys during early childhood. Their childhood experiences differed significantly from those of heterosexual men. These differences can be divided into two distinct groups: 1) Effeminacy Effeminate mannerism Cross dressing, using make-up, fascination with women's clothes and hair Doll play Expressed desire to be a girl, attempts to hide penis Fantasy play taking female roles, attraction to female characters in stories Girls as playmates More likely to draw pictures of females 2) Chronic, Persistent Unmasculinity Fear of Injury Fear of...