http://www.englishforums.com/search/pro.htm?q=tag%3aApostrophes+tag%3aPronunciationSearch results for 'tag:Apostrophes tag:Pronunciation' matching tags 'Apostrophes' and 'Pronunciation'en-USCSMOD (Build: 3273.32735)http://www.englishforums.com/English/ProperApostrophesDontsAboutDonts/gjbdb/post.htm#545684Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:32:00 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:545684anonymousAccording to the Gregg Reference Manual To form the possessive of a singular noun that ends in an s sound be guided by the way you pronounce the word If a new syllable is formed in the pronunciation of the possessive add an apostrophe plus s Ex your boss s approval you pronounce it as bosses therefore add the apostrophe Also according to the Gregg Reference Manual However if the addition of the extra syllable would make a word ending in s hard to pronounce use the apostrophe only Ex Los Angeles freeways try saying Los Angeleses Difficult to do therefore just use the apostrophe Best grammar books are The Gregg Reference Manual and the Simon amp Schuster Handbook for Writers I have no problem with boss approval At least this is a rule where one can understand why people get it wrong There are grammar errors that bother me more I cannot understand why people misuse apostrophes http://www.englishforums.com/English/PluralOfSSes/zqkwz/post.htm#499244Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:43:31 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:499244pter quote user Yoong Liat 2a There are two s s in the sentence The modern tendency is to add s to pluralise a word However the s is still common I would write s s because ss looks odd 2b There are two PSs in the meeting I think either PSs or PS s is fine although I prefer the latter quote Thanks again Yoong Liat I think this is not a matter of right or wrong but just a matter of style Many people still use the apostrophe In fact if the abbreviation has to be in lower case I can t think of such a situation yet I would also use the apostrophe Therefore I would write MPs but mp s I won t write mps because the s could be confused as part of the abbreviation quote user Yoong Liat In addition how should they be pronounced Pronounce as in 1a and 1b quote Thanks That s where I am confused I thought the pronunciation need to match the spelling and therefore es Now I know that this is not necessary I just checked my pronouncing dictionary and surprised to find that it lists all the pronunciations of the plurals of all the 26 alphabets The plural of s is s s and the pronunciation is esiz I should have checked that dictionary earlier quote user Yoong Liat PS I have never seen P SS or p ss My copy of Random House Webster s Unabridged Dictionary does not have such an entry nor does any other dictionary I checked Maybe yours is not the latest edition quote Seems that we are talking about different dictionaries instead of different versions The name on the page you quoted does not have Webster s Anyway why we need a plural for PS A postscript is a short remark Although it is possible that the short remark is not that short and may have more than one paragraph it is still one short remark Two paragraphs don t make it two postscripts I was told that an additional PS added after the original PS is PPS Post Postscript http://www.englishforums.com/English/Official/zlxvk/post.htmMon, 11 Feb 2008 19:39:48 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:475772kooyeenHi here are my comments Youtube videosGood That s a cool feature embedded videos The only problem is that you can also watch other videos in the same embedded player not only the one the poster intended to show because it shows and plays related videos at the end So I just wanted to say that if I post something like SoCal girl Accent to show Southern Cali s accent I am not responsible for whatever shows as related videos which might well be something like SoCal girls going wild or Naughty hot Socal girls Original poster who started a threadSomeone else already pointed this out in another thread When you read the list of threads you can see last post by but you don t know who started the thread unless you click on it and take a look inside Is it possible to do something for this I think it s useful info Avatar PMs etc Good Now everyone has a lot of features available even though I realize that will probably mean more work for admins if some problems occurs especially because of PMs for everyone Search functionGood Finally Thank God The old one really sucked It wasn t possible to search someone s posts for a word for example Now I can search my own posts or anyone else s Really lot of features But there s still a problem like in the old one In the old EF if I tried to search for something that contained an apostrophe like I m or you re it got rid of the apostrophe and searched for Im or youre So it was no possible to search for those for example Now it s ok if you search someone s posts but still not ok if you search the whole forum I found a workaround if you have to search for say I d you do an advanced search and you put an asterisk in the author field So you have to search s posts for I d in order to do a global search otherwise you ll get a search for Id no apostrophe Lemme know about this CommunityThis forum now looks like a real community of learners not just simple a forum I really like this that s what learners need a good community where they can learn practice and have fun at the same time The chat is still connected to TCP so I still don t understand TCP s purpose sorry You could make that chat more powerful and part of EF LOL it doesn t matter forget it Anyway the only thing that doesn t make EF a real community in my opinion is the fact that anonymous users are still allowed to post in discussions sections like topic of the moment or Word games etc for example Anons have the right to ask questions and get help grammar and pronunciation sections for example but I don t know why the should be allowed to post everywhere It kind of bothers me to still see those anons in the middle of a well developed community Minor points not importantBlue backgrounds are very nice maybe a lighter shade of blue might look better and have a better contrast with the text Maybe I noticed this because I think the old EF was a little bit lighter And the site is sooo slow I know it s because of indexing I hope it ll be fast in the end That s all Bye http://www.englishforums.com/English/FormalLetterAuthorCodesCont/zrmlj/post.htm#421269Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:03:53 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:421269anonymousThere are nearly 3 million google hits and 2 million yahoo hits for CON T as the abbreviation for continue continued It s not a form listed in popular dictionaries cont contd cont d cnt Why do you suppose it has become so common Perhaps It s an abbreviation of an existing abbreviation cont d con t The apostrophe is a stress mark for the pronunciation of the word instead of replacing letters Abbreviations can have slang forms too http://www.englishforums.com/English/ContractionsAgainIAmSorry/2/vwjwr/Post.htm#376125Thu, 07 Jun 2007 05:46:50 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:376125califjimI agree that it s useless to add apostrophe s to indicate is when the word ends in a sibilant i e would take es to form a plural In these cases the apostrophe s looks very strange and nothing is gained where pronunciation is concerned But in all other cases regardless of whether they end in a voiced or unvoiced sound the apostrophe s for is is fine Go figure My watch s slow My watch is slow Dinner s ready Mike s here My observation is that learners find these nearly impossible to incorporate in their own conversations Any comments on that CJhttp://www.englishforums.com/English/PossessiveSingularNounEnds/vbxng/post.htm#343270Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:19:36 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:343270tanit Anonymous wrote what s the rule in english grammar for forming the possessive of a singular noun that ends in s When I was in high school I was taught to add only an apostrophe and not an s Only later did I discover that both forms are possible Read To make the possessive form of a SINGULAR noun that ends in s some style guides say to add just an apostrophe others say you should add an apostrophe and s s Some say that either way is correct The best answer when dealing with SINGULAR nouns find out what the expectations are wherever you re writing and go by that In most cases you can just ask your teacher what he or she prefers So to give a couple of examples For nucleus singular noun ending in s write is as nucleus or nucleus sdepending on the rules where you re writing on this page second issue And from the BBC website However if the singular noun ends in s as in your example Everson you can either just add an apostrophe or apostrophe s s All of Dickens novels have now been adapted for television All of Dickens s novels have now been adapted for television Note that these spellings are pronounced differently If you simply add an apostrophe the pronunciation does not change but if you add apostrophe s s the possessive is pronounced iz With singular nouns ending in double s I think it is more normal to add apostrophe s s because the spelling with apostrophe s then indicates the pronunciation required The boss s secretary resigned The princess s diamonds were worth two million pounds http://www.englishforums.com/English/ApostropheProperNameEndingVowel/2/dlnpn/Post.htm#308631Sat, 30 Dec 2006 03:26:00 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:308631m. caliban Anonymous wrote I seems adding only an s changes the pronunictiation of the name so it always feels like I should add an apostrophe somehwere When it comes to pronunciation names exist in a realm all their own Elizabeth Smith will have her name pronounced as an English word but if you ask a native speaker to read aloud the names Juan Delgado Mike Straczynski and Hanzo Hattori they re going to adjust their inner pronunciation guides sometimes radically Likewise when the majority of speakers are asked to read aloud I saw Mrs Ye at the dentist s office yesterday and think we should invite the Yes over for dinner they ll probably say Ye z even though the word they see would typically be pronounced as yěs http://www.englishforums.com/English/PuttingApostrophePossessive/dkjnb/post.htm#302516Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:41:18 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:302516j lewisLogically you should never put an apostrophe for making a plural but in the examples and and do are quoted words and sometimes here it s felt that an apostrophe is necessary for reasons of pronunciation I think there s no problem with ands but with dos there might be a temptation to pronounce it as doss so do s would make it clearer although in the phrase dos and don ts it s perfectly clear Gins and apples are perfectly normal plurals and there s no reason at all to think of putting an apostrophe A place where apostrophes are often used is in initials MP member of parliament and the plural is sometimes written MP s but again I see no need because the lower case s already tells us not to say M P S Also decades can be written as the 1970s I see no need to write the 1970 s Perhaps the only case is in quoting single letters Steel has two e s http://www.englishforums.com/English/DoubtsAboutPaperI/bqlpb/post.htm#165564Sat, 03 Dec 2005 06:14:48 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:165564cliveHi Davkett Thank you for the interesting response I ve been thinking about it and I have a few comments I m not familar with the site you quoted and I don t know its credentials I don t agree with what it baldly says about Singular Nouns ending with s eg James room or Chris Jones dog I would put an apostrophe s in both cases However I looked this point up in Swan s Practical English Usage Section 505 3 in my edition He gives as examples Charles s wife but Socrates last words He doesn t discuss the matter I also looked it up in Thomson and Martinet s A Practical English Grammar Section 14 They say classical names ending in s usually add only the apostrophe Note the usually They continue Other names ending in s can take s or the apostrophe alone eg Mr Jones s or Mr Jones house I also googled a bit on Sextus Empiricus There are hits both ways although perhaps fewer with the s However the hits with s include some sites and articles that look quite scholarly Finally here s my personal opinion None of these sources seem to discuss the reasons behind their rules I think it s because of the pronunciation We say Socrateez and it sounds good but it s harder to say Socrateezez and it doesn t sound good For this reason my feeling is that for classical names that end in es I d omit the s in speech but I d be quite happy to leave it in a text that is not pronounced aloud where it would look fine and sound is not an issue Now consider classical names that don t end in es It seems fine to me to say the Cyclops s eye It also seems fine to me to say Empiricusez and it doesn t sound bad So that s why my personal preference is to say Empiricus s Anyway thanks again for raising such an interesting issue Best wishes Clivehttp://www.englishforums.com/English/ProperApostropheGuestClreilly/5/nxcq/Post.htm#67965Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:35:13 GMT946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:67965guestI am continually stunned by the fact that so few sources seem to realise the logic that lies behind their own rules I have heard whacky rules that suggests that ancient or biblical names ending with s are exceptions or words of more than one syllable ending with s The eez thing here is at least in the right ballpark The rule should be that if the final s is immediately preceded by a vowel with no other consonant in between it s a candidate for dropping the extra s So JesUs is a candidate as is SocratEs but not JAmes whose final vowel sound is the A not the E and has an M between it and the S That s not the entire story though inasmuch as it s really the awkwardness of pronunciation which should tell you James s doesn t sound awkward at all it has a ziz sound Jesus s does zuzz ziz Morris s seems to be okay though