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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Search results for 'tag:Clauses tag:Grammar' matching tags 'Clauses' and 'Grammar'</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/search/pro.htm?q=tag%3aClauses+tag%3aGrammar&amp;tag=Clauses,Grammar&amp;orTags=0</link><description>Search results for 'tag:Clauses tag:Grammar' matching tags 'Clauses' and 'Grammar'</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>CSMOD (Build: 3161.22795)</generator><item><title>Re: nominative absolute clause..</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/NominativeAbsoluteClause/glxmp/post.htm#559434</link><pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:39:35 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:559434</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator><description>Yes, it is. This is otherwise referred to in grammar as ABSOLUTE CONSTRUCTION. By definition, it is a reduced adjective or adverb clause that functions as sentence modifier indicating time and causality. This type of construction is commonly used more in writing than in speaking. I hope I&amp;#39;ve been able to help you in this matter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: to being</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ToBeing/glxcm/post.htm#559261</link><pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:24:22 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:559261</guid><dc:creator>Mister Micawber</dc:creator><description>.&lt;br /&gt;It seems bad grammar to me there; however, I can say &amp;#39;&lt;em&gt;When it &lt;strong&gt;comes to being&lt;/strong&gt; impatient, Mister Micawber takes the cake&amp;#39;&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Being impatient&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; is a non-finite clause acting as a noun.&amp;nbsp;&lt;em&gt; When it comes to cake, Mitsy bakes the best. &lt;strong&gt;When it comes to &lt;/strong&gt;= in the case of&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.</description></item><item><title>Re: 1)How can we correct the sentence:</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/CorrectSentence/glwhj/post.htm#557609</link><pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:25:12 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557609</guid><dc:creator>Mister Micawber</dc:creator><description>.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;The answer was e. But I have never seen a &amp;quot;because&amp;quot; after comma-&lt;strong&gt;- A comma can appear after because if the clause is less restrictive.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;2) The meaning of his words was even more elusive in his own country than either Europe &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;or Latin America &lt;/span&gt;( the underscore is a wrong phrase)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Can we replace the underscored phrase with &amp;quot;either in Europe or Latin Am&amp;quot; or &amp;quot; in either Europe or Latin Am&amp;quot;?--&lt;strong&gt; I&amp;#39;d use the latter, but something is fishy about your underlining.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;3) On my preparing for exam, I came up with this sentence:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Spot the error:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Kelly &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;is proud&lt;/span&gt; of &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;her &lt;/span&gt;own abilities &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;to mediate&lt;/span&gt; disputes &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;more than&lt;/span&gt; any of her other strength. &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;No error&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;The answer was C ( as the book says) but here is its explanation:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;quot;Does the subordinate clause fit within the context of the sentenc? ( A) uses the correct verb tense and the verb agrees w/ subject Kelly. (B) shows the correct feminine sing. pronoun, referring to Kelly (C) shows the correct infi. form of the verb mediate.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;So what is the answer??-- &lt;strong&gt;There are a lot of errors in what you typed.&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt; D is wrong&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;4) here is part of a math question I couldn&amp;#39;t find out why:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Which is the graph of y= -(x-2)2 (2 outside the bracket means square)?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Graphs drawn below.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;And here was the solution:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;If&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;f(x) = -x2 , the given equation, y= -(x-2)2, represents f(x-2)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;How come they got the last line?-&lt;strong&gt;- I have no idea.&amp;nbsp; This is a grammar forum.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Which one is correct?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhichOneIsCorrect/glcxb/post.htm#555986</link><pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:45:26 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:555986</guid><dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator><description>Hi,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#0000bf;"&gt;Can you help me please ? &lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#0000bf;"&gt;Which one is correct? And why?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#0000bf;"&gt;--&lt;br /&gt;Where is my wallet?&lt;br /&gt;Where is the police station?&lt;br /&gt;OR&lt;br /&gt;Where my wallet is?&lt;br /&gt;Where the police station is?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;English grammar requires the inversion shown in&amp;nbsp; #1 and #2.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, note that you can say things like&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;I know &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;where my wallet is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Do you know&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;where my wallet is&lt;/span&gt;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;In&amp;nbsp; these examples, &amp;#39;where my wallet is&amp;#39; is not a question, but simply a noun clause.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Best wishes, Clive&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Best wishes, Clive&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: TOEIC/ error recognition</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ToeicErrorRecognition/gkmqq/post.htm#554012</link><pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:31:53 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:554012</guid><dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator><description>Hi,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#0000bf;"&gt;When the repair person (A) &lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;had completed&lt;/span&gt; her work (B) &lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;was fixing&lt;/span&gt; the PCs in our office, she (C) &lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;put away&lt;/span&gt; her tools and (D) &lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;wrote out&lt;/span&gt; a bill for the supervisor.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#0000bf;"&gt;The answer key says (B) is incorrect but doesn&amp;#39;t tell me what to change, so I think&amp;nbsp;it&amp;nbsp;could be corrected as follows:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. fixing&lt;br /&gt;2. to fix&lt;br /&gt;3. which was fixing&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please advise on&amp;nbsp;these possible corrections. &lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;All 3 of your suggestions&amp;nbsp;are incorrect grammar. It&amp;#39;s a hard test sentence for a student to understand, because A and B are actually alternatives. B is incorrect, and A is correct.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In addition, I was wondering why (A) is in past perfect tense but not the past tense word &amp;quot;completed&amp;quot;? I remember one native speaker in this forum once told me that the verb tense appeared in a &amp;quot;when&amp;quot; clause should usually go with simple tense.&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;Past Perfect is fine, but Simple Past would also be fine. The sequence of events is clear.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please also advise on this one.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Best wishes, Clive&lt;img id="@@emo@@" alt="(:)) Smile" src="http://www.englishforums.com/emoticons/emotion-1.gif" /&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: ellipted phrase here?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ElliptedPhraseHere/gkmbm/post.htm#553753</link><pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:23:26 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:553753</guid><dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator><description>Hi,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#0000bf;"&gt;Thank you.&amp;nbsp; It does seem not so clearly written. I don&amp;#39;t know what the phrase &amp;#39;plugged in&amp;#39;&amp;nbsp;refers to either. If I have to make a guess, I think it would be for &amp;#39;desires&amp;#39;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You revised my sentence like this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font color="#0000bf"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;This is a pen (that &lt;strike&gt;is&lt;/strike&gt; was ) bought yesterday. &amp;lt;&amp;lt;&amp;lt; &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#0000bf;"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;This is OK.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, how would we know what is ellipted if &amp;#39;that is&amp;#39; and &amp;#39;what was&amp;#39; can be ellipted (forgetting the word &amp;#39;yesterday&amp;#39;)? &lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;Why do you want to forget &amp;#39;yesterday&amp;#39;? You wouldn&amp;#39;t naturally just say&lt;strong&gt; &amp;#39;This is a pen bought&amp;#39;&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The work (&lt;em&gt;that is&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;that was&lt;/em&gt;??) finished by Jane wasn&amp;#39;t as good as the work &lt;em&gt;(that is&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;that was&lt;/em&gt;?) finished by Joe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&amp;#39;Was&amp;#39; would normally be assumed in a past situatoon like the above. For a present situation, you&amp;#39;d say something like&lt;br /&gt;The work (&lt;em&gt;that is&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;)&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt; being finished&lt;/span&gt; by Jane isn&amp;#39;t as good as the work &lt;em&gt;(that is&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;)&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt; being finished&lt;/span&gt; by Joe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you wanted to make a general statement, this would be&amp;nbsp; normally be clear from the context. eg&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jane and Joe make furniture. The work finished by Jane is not as good as the wotrk finished by Joe, so I never buy it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think I have learned (if I learned it correctly) that this kind of ellipsis can&amp;#39;t be applied when the subordinate clause is modifying a subject.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think this can be figured out easily by reference:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;The&amp;nbsp;work (that was) done by Joe yesterday wasn&amp;#39;t submiited to the committee on time and&lt;span style="COLOR:#bf005f;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;the work &lt;span style="COLOR:#0000bf;"&gt;(that)&lt;/span&gt; finally got submitted was John&amp;#39;s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;The part in red is incorrect grammar. Say something like&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;The&amp;nbsp;work (that was) done by Joe yesterday wasn&amp;#39;t submiited to the committee on time and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#bf005f;"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;the work &lt;span style="COLOR:#0000bf;"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;(that was&lt;/span&gt;)&lt;/span&gt; finally&amp;nbsp;submitted was&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;John&amp;#39;s.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Best wishes, Clive&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;em&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description></item><item><title>Two lines of lyrics from Daniel Powter "free loop"</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LinesLyricsDanielPowterFreeLoop/gkkgz/post.htm</link><pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:18:45 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:553253</guid><dc:creator>Kevin X</dc:creator><description>Hi guys,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I found it diffcult understanding what exactly the two lines mean (&lt;span style="color:#ff0000;"&gt;as a whole&lt;/span&gt;):&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color:#0000ff;"&gt;I&amp;#39;ve been fabulous through to fight my town a name&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#0000ff;"&gt;I&amp;#39;ll be stooped tomorrow if I don&amp;#39;t leave &lt;span style="background-color:#fdeee0;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color:#ffdfbf;"&gt;as them both the same&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I read the first line as saying:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color:#855a40;"&gt;I&amp;#39;ve been feeling totally great fighting for a good name for my town&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As for the second, I can&amp;#39;t even figure out how the &amp;quot;if&amp;quot; clause can be explained in grammar, if any.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Most translations I can find see the second as saying:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color:#855a40;"&gt;If I don&amp;#39;t leave, I&amp;#39;ll be just as stooped as they both are&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But I doubt that. What or whom is &amp;quot;them&amp;quot; referring to? Why use &amp;quot;both?&amp;quot; Of what?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Would someone please help me with it?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks a lot!</description></item><item><title>He should come so that I can see him</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Default/gkwnn/post.htm</link><pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:26:26 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:552802</guid><dc:creator>Jesusengland</dc:creator><description>&lt;div id="post_message_5510883"&gt;Hello.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;font color="red"&gt;When the main clause refers to the present&lt;/font&gt;, you usually use &amp;#39;can&amp;#39;, &amp;#39;may&amp;#39; or &amp;#39;shall&amp;#39; in the purpose clause (so that).&amp;quot; (Collins Cobuild Grammar).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- He &lt;font color="red"&gt;should&lt;/font&gt; come so that I can see him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But in this sentence, does &amp;quot;should&amp;quot; refer to the present? Is it correct?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks.&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Some grammar questions</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/SomeGrammarQuestions/gkgpm/post.htm#552257</link><pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:35:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:552257</guid><dc:creator>dionusos</dc:creator><description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Doll&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#993366"&gt;Hello,&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#993366"&gt;Welcome to EF!&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#993366"&gt;Thanks&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My two cents:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;dionusos&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;strong&gt;-- would vs will&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;Let&amp;#39;s say you&amp;#39;re discussing a plans for a party or a law that may or may not actualize but you&amp;#39;re describing what they will entail. &lt;br /&gt;Would you say &amp;quot;the party &lt;em&gt;would&lt;/em&gt;&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;the law &lt;em&gt;would&lt;/em&gt; incriminate people who blah blah blah&amp;quot; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;instead of &amp;quot;the party will&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;the law will&amp;quot;?&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;I&amp;#39;ve noticed in some newspapers the use of &amp;quot;will&amp;quot; even about laws and ordinances that are being proposed or voted on.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;font color="#993366"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me that &amp;quot;will&amp;quot; is preferred most of the time however using would or will depends on your intention and meaning you want to give us. Would suggest a hypothetical thing.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is confusing. Because&amp;nbsp;,say, a bill is written. All that needs to happen for it to become a law is for it to be passed. So a proposed law isn&amp;#39;t a hypothetical. But &amp;quot;will&amp;quot; tends is used to indicate likelihood or certainty. Is it then appropriate to say, &amp;quot;The law will&amp;quot; or must you qualify the noun wiht &amp;quot;proposed&amp;quot; every time you refer to it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;--,which is.., or not?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;I notice &amp;quot;which is&amp;quot; is occasionally omitted in writing.&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;For example, &amp;quot;She was referred to Teen Court, [which is] an early intervention program of the Visalia Council on Alcoholism and Drug Abuse.&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;When is it ok to omit the &amp;quot;which is&amp;quot; ? Is there a rule here?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;font color="#993366"&gt;Writing &amp;quot;which&amp;quot; makes the sentence long and if you see it in a newspaper and if it is omitted, I can say that they want to save time and space. But for academic writing and similar things to be opne and not to cause ambiguity you should use &amp;quot;which&amp;quot;. In everday life, it is omitted most of the time.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;font color="#993366"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ok. So then it&amp;#39;s a matter of convenience. I thought there was some rule I was missing. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-- When do you say &amp;quot;said that&amp;quot; or merely &amp;quot;said&amp;quot; when using&amp;nbsp;attribution at the beginning of a sentence?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;font color="#993366"&gt;Ah, this calls for a lesson! You should search clauses or simply write &amp;quot;said that &amp;quot; and you will find lots of information.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I tried that. It would really require a lesson? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-- Why is &amp;quot;had&amp;quot; needed in the following sentence from a&lt;strike&gt;n&lt;/strike&gt; Times article?&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&amp;quot;Federal authorities said Tuesday that they &amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;had&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; cracked &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;the largest case of identity theft in U.S. history,...&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;font color="#993366"&gt;I wish you had written the whole sentence here so that we could explain it to you more correctly. I think they used &amp;quot;had&amp;quot; ,as far as I see from the non-complete sentence, because they want to state that cracking happened before an event occured in past.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here you go: &amp;quot;&amp;quot;Federal authorities said Tuesday that they &amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;had&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; cracked the largest case of identity theft in U.S. history, charging 11 people in the theft of more than 40 million credit and debit card account numbers from computer systems at such major retailers as TJ *** and Barnes &amp;amp; Noble.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And is the &amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;has&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; needed in the following sentence from another times article:&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&amp;quot;DSW also &amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;has&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; sent notification letters to affected &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;customers whenever possible...&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;font color="#993366"&gt;Write the complete sentence please and I don&amp;#39;t see anything wrong with the half sentence. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;div&gt;Nevermind on this one. I figured it out. Sheesh. I don&amp;#39;t know how I missed it. The &amp;quot;has&amp;quot; was referring to &amp;quot;whenever possible.&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: tank top</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/TankTop/2/gkgxk/Post.htm#552238</link><pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:42:04 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:552238</guid><dc:creator>New2grammar</dc:creator><description>Thanks, RayH! I get it now. I thought a tube top revealed the tummy, thus the shape of a tube. &lt;a href="http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PMO2058.jpg"&gt;http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PMO2058.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Grammar Geek&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;you politely ignore it as though nothing had happened&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I got it now. The reason you used &amp;quot;had happened&amp;quot; was that &amp;quot;as though&amp;quot; makes the following clause hyphothetical. Sorry for the confusion. Thanks, GG.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>