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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Search results for 'tag:Contractions tag:Analogies' matching tags 'Contractions' and 'Analogies'</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/search/pro.htm?q=tag%3aContractions+tag%3aAnalogies</link><description>Search results for 'tag:Contractions tag:Analogies' matching tags 'Contractions' and 'Analogies'</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>CSMOD (Build: 3259.27886)</generator><item><title>Weaknesses in the CGEL? (Cambridge Grammar of the English Language)</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WeaknessesCgelCambridgeGrammar-EnglishLanguage/xpmc/post.htm</link><pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:35:59 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:73323</guid><dc:creator>MrPedantic</dc:creator><description>People sometimes refer to the CGEL on this site. Conveniently, some &lt;BR&gt;sample chapters from this publication are now online at &lt;a href="http://uk.cambridge.org/linguistics/cgel/sample.htm" target="_blank" title="http://uk.cambridge.org/linguistics/cgel/sample.htm"&gt;CGEL sample chapters&lt;/a&gt; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;The preliminary chapter includes the odd lapse of logic. This is one of the first. &lt;BR&gt;Apologies for the fairly lengthy quotation: &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;Another kind of illegitimate argument is based on analogy between &lt;BR&gt;one area of grammar and another. Consider yet another construction where &lt;BR&gt;there is variation between nominative and accusative forms of pronouns: &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;[3] a. &lt;EM&gt;They invited me to lunch. &lt;/EM&gt;&lt;BR&gt;[3] b.% &lt;EM&gt;They invited my partner and I to lunch.&lt;/EM&gt; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;The â%â symbol is again used to mark the&amp;nbsp;B example as typically used by some &lt;BR&gt;speakers of Standard English but not others, though this time it is not a matter of &lt;BR&gt;regional variation. The status of the construction in&amp;nbsp;B differs from that of &lt;BR&gt;&lt;EM&gt;Itâs me&lt;/EM&gt;, which is undisputedly normal in informal use, and from that &lt;BR&gt;of !&lt;EM&gt;Me and Kim saw her leave&lt;/EM&gt;, which is unquestionably non-standard. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;What is different is that examples like B&amp;nbsp;are regularly used by a significant &lt;BR&gt;proportion of speakers of Standard English, and not generally thought by &lt;BR&gt;ordinary speakers to be non-standard; they pass unnoticed in broadcast &lt;BR&gt;speech all the time. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Prescriptivists, however, condemn the use illustrated by 3b, insisting &lt;BR&gt;that the âcorrectâ form is &lt;EM&gt;They invited my partner and me to lunch&lt;/EM&gt;. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;And here again they seek to justify their claim that 3b is ungrammatical &lt;BR&gt;by an implicit analogy, this time with other situations found in English, such &lt;BR&gt;as the example seen in A. In&amp;nbsp;A the pronoun functions by itself as direct &lt;BR&gt;object of the verb and invariably appears in accusative case. What is &lt;BR&gt;different in&amp;nbsp;B is that the direct object of the verb has the form of a &lt;BR&gt;coordination, not a single pronoun. Prescriptivists commonly take it for &lt;BR&gt;granted that this difference is irrelevant to case assignment. They argue &lt;BR&gt;that because we have an accusative in&amp;nbsp;A we should also have an &lt;BR&gt;accusative in B, so the nominative &lt;EM&gt;I&lt;/EM&gt; is ungrammatical. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;But why should we simply assume that the grammatical rules for case &lt;BR&gt;assignment cannot differentiate between a coordinated and a non-coordinated &lt;BR&gt;pronoun? As it happens, there is another place in English grammar where &lt;BR&gt;the rules are sensitive to this distinction â for virtually all speakers, not &lt;BR&gt;just some of them: &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;4 a. &lt;EM&gt;I donât know if youâre eligible.&lt;/EM&gt; &lt;BR&gt;4 b. &lt;EM&gt;I donât know if she and youâre eligible.&lt;/EM&gt; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;The sequence &lt;EM&gt;you are&lt;/EM&gt; can be reduced to &lt;EM&gt;youâre&lt;/EM&gt; in A, where &lt;BR&gt;&lt;EM&gt;you&lt;/EM&gt; is subject, but not in B, where the subject has the form of a &lt;BR&gt;coordination of pronouns. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;This shows us not only that a rule of English could apply differently to &lt;BR&gt;pronouns and coordinated pronouns, but that one rule actually does. If that &lt;BR&gt;is so, then a rule could likewise distinguish between 3a and 3b. The &lt;BR&gt;argument from analogy is illegitimate. Whether 3b is treated as correct &lt;BR&gt;Standard English or not (a matter that we take up in Ch. 5, Â§16.2.2), it &lt;BR&gt;cannot be successfully argued to be incorrect simply by virtue of the &lt;BR&gt;analogy with 3a.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; &lt;BR&gt;This passage appears to contain two weakness. First, it uses analogy to &lt;BR&gt;argue against analogy. Second, it mistakes the nature of the 'rule' in &lt;BR&gt;4a and 4b. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Analogy&lt;/STRONG&gt; &lt;BR&gt;According to the passage above, prescriptivists say: &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;1. 'Apply {direct object pronoun rule 3a} to {co-ordinated direct object pronoun pair 3b}'. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;The CGEL says in reply that this 'illegitimate argument is based on analogy &lt;BR&gt;between one area of grammar and another'; that in fact, &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;2. 'We don't apply {subject pronoun rule 4a} to {co-ordinated subject pronoun pair 4b}; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;therefore &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;3. We needn't apply {direct object pronoun rule 3a} to {co-ordinated direct object pronoun pair 3b}'. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Which is to argue against the use of analogy by using an analogy. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Even more strangely, the CGEL's analogy is between uses of subject and &lt;BR&gt;object pronouns; whereas the so-called prescriptivists' analogy is at least &lt;BR&gt;between uses of object pronouns in both cases. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Mistaking the nature of the rule in 4a&lt;/STRONG&gt; &lt;BR&gt;The CGEL states that the change in form in 4b is a question of case assignment. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;In fact, it's a question of contraction. In 4a, contraction is used; whereas 4b &lt;BR&gt;should be corrected to 'I don't know if she and you are eligible'. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;(This is independently explicable: the 'you' requires separate stress not because &lt;BR&gt;of case, but because it's one of a pair. Moreover, native speakers would indeed &lt;BR&gt;often slightly contract the 'are': &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;4. c. &lt;EM&gt;I don't know if she and you'er eligible.&lt;/EM&gt;) &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;MrP &lt;BR&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>