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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Search results for 'tag:Countable nouns tag:Possessives' matching tags 'Countable nouns' and 'Possessives'</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/search/pro.htm?q=tag%3aCountable+nouns+tag%3aPossessives&amp;tag=Countable+nouns,Possessives&amp;orTags=0</link><description>Search results for 'tag:Countable nouns tag:Possessives' matching tags 'Countable nouns' and 'Possessives'</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>CSMOD (Build: 3170.31378)</generator><item><title>Re: &amp;quot;Travels&amp;quot;</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Travels/zzlrd/post.htm#445352</link><pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 02:30:38 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:445352</guid><dc:creator>Mister Micawber</dc:creator><description>&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;Travel&lt;/i&gt; is the (usually) uncountable noun for the general experience of moving around;&lt;i&gt; trip&lt;/i&gt; is a particular countable instance of &lt;i&gt;travel&lt;/i&gt;:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;I love travel-- my next trip is to Botswana&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A&lt;i&gt; sightseeing tour&lt;/i&gt; can be done alone or with friends or on a &lt;i&gt;package tour&lt;/i&gt;, which is an arranged group tour including transportation and accommodation and some meals (the 'package').&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The&lt;i&gt; hotels' prices &lt;/i&gt;or&lt;i&gt; the hotel prices&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp; The first is plural possessive and the latter is the noun as adjective.&amp;nbsp; Since hotels are not sentient, I recommend &lt;i&gt;the hotel prices&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: more examples please</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/MoreExamplesPlease/2/zcjxb/Post.htm#430271</link><pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 02:42:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:430271</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;Thank you, CalifJim. I am going to give you
four sentences that have a preposition followed by what looks to be a
noun equivalent. Can you please tell me if these are illustrations of
your points that you made above? Are they all correct noun equivalents?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;1.He is displeased with filling of his pail. -- general abstract reference (used as&amp;nbsp;an uncountable noun)&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;2. He is displeased with the filling of his pail. -- specific reference (used as a countable noun)&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;3. He is displeased with a filling of his pail. -- an instance of 'filling' (also used in a countable sense)&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;4. He is displeased with
his filling of his pail. -- could be both abstract&amp;nbsp;and specific
but in the possessive 'his'&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt; &lt;br&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;The gerund &lt;i&gt;filling&lt;/i&gt; is the object of the preposition &lt;i&gt;with&lt;/i&gt; in each case, so yes, they are all noun equivalents.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
The descriptions you give show a connection with the points I made above.&amp;nbsp; Yes.&lt;br&gt;
However, &lt;i&gt;filling a pail&lt;/i&gt; is difficult to conceive of as an abstraction, so the resulting sentences aren't particularly natural sounding.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
CJ&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: more examples please</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/MoreExamplesPlease/2/zrgzp/Post.htm#419439</link><pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:58:18 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:419439</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator><description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="txt4"&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;CalifJim wrote:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;Gerunds can be treated as countable or non-countable, the same as other nouns.&amp;nbsp; It seems to me that as non-countables they are generally taken more abstractly.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#ff0000&gt;Thank you, CalifJim. I am going to give you four sentences that have a preposition followed by what looks to be a noun equivalent. Can you please tell me if these are illustrations of your points that you made above? Are they all correct noun equivalents?&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#ff0000&gt;1.He is displeased with filling of his pail. -- general abstract reference (used as&amp;nbsp;an uncountable noun)&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#ff0000&gt;2. He is displeased with the filling of his pail. -- specific reference (used as a countable noun)&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#ff0000&gt;3. He is displeased with a filling of his pail. -- an instance of 'filling' (also used in a countable sense)&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#ff0000&gt;4. He is displeased with his filling of his pail. -- could be both abstract&amp;nbsp;and specific but in the possessive 'his'&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#ff0000&gt;&amp;nbsp;Thank you.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;BR&gt;As with other nouns, &lt;I&gt;a/an&lt;/I&gt; can mean &lt;I&gt;an instance of&lt;/I&gt; when placed before a gerund.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;a shaking of the ground = an instance of ground-shaking = an occasion in which (the) ground shakes / shook&lt;BR&gt;a mixing of the ingredients = an instance of ingredient-mixing = an occasion in which (the) ingredients are / were mixed&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;CJ&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: software name?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/SoftwareName/vjpjw/post.htm#382797</link><pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:50:05 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:382797</guid><dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator><description>&lt;P&gt;Hi,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;1. How do you decide on how to put English articles in front of (software game??) names like Playstation 3? Do you have to&amp;nbsp;make a&amp;nbsp;decision as to whether it is used as a&amp;nbsp;software or used a game first? Maybe, the rule is if used as a game, put the article in; whereas, if it is used as a sacred name of a particular type of software that is being enjoyed by youngster all over the world? Can you make some sort of&amp;nbsp; connection to the rules that apply to some proper names?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;as fun as the Playstation 3&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#000000&gt;I think that Playstation 3 is actually a piece of equipment that you buy with some software already installed. Isn't that true? So, it's a thing.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;If I am speaking generally of the product, I would say 'Sony had great success last year with Playstation 3'. But if I am speaking individually, I'd say 'Today I bought &lt;STRONG&gt;a &lt;/STRONG&gt;Playstation 3 for my son'. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Please note also that software is not a countable noun. You say things like 'I bought some software'. If you want to talk about some particular kind of software, you would typically say something like 'I bought a piece of software' or 'I bought a software package'.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;2. When you have a possessive placed in front of a noun, does that 'possessiveness' overrides all determiners including determiners for superatives?&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;She is Korea's most beautiful woman.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;Normally, you would write like this if the underlined possessive is not used:&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;She is the most beatitul woman in Korea.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;So, an argument can be made that&amp;nbsp;these sorts of possessives can override all determiners. Can it? &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT color=#000000&gt;I think so, although I don't like to make very general statements. I don't see it as just related to superlatives. eg&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Seoul is&lt;STRONG&gt; the&lt;/STRONG&gt; capital of South Korea.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Seoul is South Korea's capital.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Best wishes, Clive&lt;/P&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Correct term for singular possessive as stand-in for a group</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/CorrectTermSingularPossessiveStand-Group/dxvqk/post.htm#320783</link><pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 23:21:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:320783</guid><dc:creator>Maripinky</dc:creator><description>I think the grammatical term could be generic noun phrases. When a noun is mentioned as a symbol, example, or representative of &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; members of a group  
(almost the same as &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; + plural or noncount nouns or &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; + a singular noun) we refer to it as
having "generic" reference. &lt;br&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/u&gt;A few generic countable nouns look like definite nouns (they follow &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt;), even though
they do not refer to specific, unique things!  (they are NOT definite)&amp;nbsp;  
&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;  &lt;i&gt;The&lt;/i&gt; and a singular count noun can refer to a whole group 
(not just one specific member). This occurs often in formal writing,
and with inventions, musical instruments, parts of the body.
&lt;table&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;i&gt;
&lt;u&gt;The lion&lt;/u&gt; is endangered&lt;br&gt;
&lt;u&gt;The heart&lt;/u&gt; is like a pump&lt;br&gt;
When was &lt;u&gt;the radio&lt;/u&gt; invented?&lt;br&gt;
She plays &lt;u&gt;the piano&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;u&gt;The inexperienced student&lt;/u&gt; may need help.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;(which lion?  not just one lion, but all lions)&lt;br&gt;
(which heart?  all hearts)&lt;br&gt;
(which radio?  not the radio in my apartment, but the idea)&lt;br&gt;
(which piano? She has this general ability.)&lt;br&gt;
(which student?  Any inexperienced student.)
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;


&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; &lt;i&gt;The&lt;/i&gt; and a plural count noun can occasionally refer to all members of a human group in
general .. not just particular people konwn to the speaker/writer and listener/reader.  This is the least common kind of generic
nouns, usually referring to a religiously, politically, or professionally-based group of people.  
&lt;table&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;i&gt;
The Germans are known for their beer.&lt;br&gt;
The Republicans will meet in Philadelphia&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;  (which Germans?  all of them)&lt;br&gt;
(which Republicans?  representatives of all of them)
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;
&lt;i&gt;The&lt;/i&gt; can also be followed by an adjective (with no noun) to refer to a whole class (usually of
people):
&lt;table&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;i&gt;
The blind leading the blind&lt;br&gt;
The rich and the poor&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td&gt;(which blind what?  all blind people)&lt;br&gt;
(which rich/poor what?  all rich/poor people)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: I have a question about articles</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/QuestionAboutArticles/2/drqwg/Post.htm#255329</link><pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 04:52:18 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:255329</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>Good answer!&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
(1) Yes, uncountable nouns can be tricky!&amp;nbsp; There are many cases
where the same noun is countable in one context and uncountable in
another.&lt;br&gt;
(2) You do have to remember that certain words like the demonstrative
and possessive adjectives act as determiners, making articles (also
determiners) forbidden.&amp;nbsp; That shouldn't be quite so tricky
though.&amp;nbsp; Is it?&amp;nbsp; &lt;img src="/emoticons/emotion-1.gif" alt="Smile [:)]" /&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
CJ&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: it and never they</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ItAndNeverThey/cwblc/post.htm#206824</link><pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:04:41 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:206824</guid><dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator><description>&lt;P&gt;Hi guys,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;I have three&amp;nbsp;uncountables with possessives or "look-to-be"&amp;nbsp;quantifiers.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Should&amp;nbsp;they all be referred with the pronoun "it"?&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;1) their furniture&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#000000&gt;'Furniture' is&amp;nbsp; not a countable noun. Say &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;'Your furniture is very nice. I like &lt;STRONG&gt;it'&lt;/STRONG&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT color=#000000&gt;It's the same, for example, as talking about 'their money'.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Individually, we often&amp;nbsp;speak of&amp;nbsp; 'a piece of furniture' or 'an item of furniture'.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Best wishes, Clive&lt;/P&gt;</description></item><item><title>both an uncountable and a countable taking possessive adjectives</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/BothUncountableCountableTaking-PossessiveAdjectives/cgklc/post.htm</link><pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:24:59 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:199599</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator><description>&lt;P&gt;Hi,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Can both uncountable nouns and countable nouns take "my", "his",&amp;nbsp;etc.?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: do you have a jacket?/do you have jacket?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/JacketJacket/bxgph/post.htm#154299</link><pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:55:48 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:154299</guid><dc:creator>Mister Micawber</dc:creator><description>&lt;br&gt;
Normally, you would be asking if Jack has any jackets at all (i.e. does
he have protection from the cold?).&amp;nbsp; For singular countable nouns,
an article (&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;a/an/the&lt;/b&gt; jacket&lt;/i&gt;) is&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;b&gt;always &lt;/b&gt;needed, unless it is replaced by a demonstrative (&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;this&lt;/b&gt; jacket&lt;/i&gt;) or a possessive (&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;your&lt;/b&gt; jacket&lt;/i&gt;). Generalization has nothing to do with it.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Jack, do you have &lt;b&gt;a jacket&lt;/b&gt; at home?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Do you have (any/some) jackets&lt;/i&gt; is possible, but only if you are enquiring about the extent of Jack's wardrobe:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;Do you have (any/some) sweaters?&amp;nbsp; Do you have (any/some) anoraks?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/i&gt;Notice that natural English usually includes the determiners&lt;i&gt; some&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;any.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/i&gt;Re your second question, both are OK.&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt; Who&lt;/i&gt; can be singular or plural, depending on context:&lt;i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
I love my wife, who is standing next to me.&lt;br&gt;
I love my children, who are at day camp.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/i&gt;In your case, the plural&lt;i&gt; igloos&lt;/i&gt; recommends the plural verb:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Who live in igloos?&lt;br&gt;
Who lives in an igloo?&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Grammatical questions</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammaticalQuestions/xwxd/post.htm#71335</link><pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 00:12:45 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:71335</guid><dc:creator>MrPedantic</dc:creator><description>Hello Guest&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since this is for an exam, I don't feel I should give detailed replies. But you may wish to consider:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Why the following sentences are ungrammatical: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;a) Never watch I television. &lt;br /&gt;b) Which programmes watched you? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Look up Inversion in your grammar book.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;a) Would you like an information? &lt;br /&gt;b) He hasn't read much book. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Look up Count Nouns and Uncountable Nouns.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. What is the grammatical difference between forms such as "my" and "mine", or "their" and "theirs"? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Look up Possessive Determiners and Possessive Pronouns.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. How might the following contrast be accounted for? &lt;br /&gt;a) They have referred to the book. c) He went to the station. &lt;br /&gt;b) The book has been referred to. d) The station was gone to. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Look up Present Perfect Tense, Past Perfect Tense.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. How can the contrast between c) and f) be explained? &lt;br /&gt;a) She spoke to the manager. d) She put on a coat. &lt;br /&gt;b) Who did she speak to? e) What did she put on? &lt;br /&gt;c) To whom did she speak? f) On what did she put? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Look up Interrogative Pronouns.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why not work on these ones first, and post your suggestions, after looking up the relevant sections? If you're still having trouble, we'll then give you more help, and go on to your other questions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;MrP&lt;br /&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>