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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Search results for 'tag:Determiners tag:Clauses' matching tags 'Determiners' and 'Clauses'</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/search/pro.htm?q=tag%3aDeterminers+tag%3aClauses&amp;tag=Determiners,Clauses&amp;orTags=0</link><description>Search results for 'tag:Determiners tag:Clauses' matching tags 'Determiners' and 'Clauses'</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>CSMOD (Build: 3170.31378)</generator><item><title>Re: few, tag questions</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/FewTagQuestions/gjvwm/post.htm#546647</link><pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:29:11 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:546647</guid><dc:creator>Teo</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;There are several adverbs and determiners which are negative in meaning but not in form. They include: &lt;em&gt;seldom, rarely; scarcely, hardly, barely; &lt;/em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;u&gt;little, few &lt;/u&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;(in contrast to the positive &lt;em&gt;a little &lt;/em&gt;and &lt;em&gt;a few&lt;/em&gt;) They can effect clause negation: for example sentences in which they appear generally require a positive tag question.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;1. There are&lt;strong&gt;&lt;u&gt; few&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; students in the classroom, __ there? (A) are (B) aren&amp;#39;t&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;I think the answer is A because few is negative in meaning. Am I right?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;3. There are only a few students in the classroom, __ there? (A) are (B) aren&amp;#39;t&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Is &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;u&gt;only a few&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; positive or negative in meaning?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: what could come after a preposition?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/CouldAfterPreposition/zdpxb/post.htm#436918</link><pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:27:38 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:436918</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>The only thing that can come after a preposition to form a
prepositional phrase is a noun phrase, usually a noun accompanied by
its preceding determiner and perhaps an adjective.&amp;nbsp; A relative
clause may be added.&amp;nbsp; The noun itself may be a gerund.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
If the element after the candidate for a preposition looks like it's not a noun, then either of these holds:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
a. The preposition candidate is not a preposition, but perhaps an adverb or conjunction.&lt;br&gt;
b. The structure after the preposition candidate actually is a noun phrase.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Both of your examples are in the category labeled b.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
In your first example &lt;i&gt;bad&lt;/i&gt; should be viewed as an adjective &lt;u&gt;used as a noun&lt;/u&gt;, 'promoted' to a noun because of the elision of &lt;i&gt;situation&lt;/i&gt; or its equivalent, &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;i&gt;The situation can be seen as a bad situation.&lt;br&gt;
The situation can be seen as a bad one.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
In your second example, &lt;i&gt;bad&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt; are simply abstract uncountable nouns meaning &lt;i&gt;that which is bad&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;that which is good&lt;/i&gt;, respectively.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
CJ&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: word order</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WordOrder/vvvvk/post.htm#354970</link><pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:10:01 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:354970</guid><dc:creator>Yankee</dc:creator><description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="txt4"&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;T509 wrote:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'll make the question clearer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A) determiner + adverb + past participle (functioning as adjective) + noun&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;B) determiner + noun + adverb + past participle (functioning as adjective) &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color="#000080"&gt;{+ prepositional phrase (related to the p.p.)}&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No question about A.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In B, &lt;font color="#000000"&gt;would the order be unnatural or incorrect without &lt;font color="#000080"&gt;&lt;em&gt;{}?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;e.g. &lt;font color="#000000"&gt;I ate the fish well cooked &lt;font color="#000080"&gt;&lt;em&gt;by his wife&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/font&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hi T509&lt;br&gt;In my opinion, your last example illustrates part of the problem quite clearly.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;"&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;I ate the fish well cooked &lt;font color="#000080"&gt;&lt;em&gt;by his wife&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/font&gt;."&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In this sentence, the word &lt;i&gt;'cooked'&lt;/i&gt; no longer seems to be used as an adjective, but rather as a &lt;b&gt;verb&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;In addition, the use of the word '&lt;i&gt;well&lt;/i&gt;' suggests a &lt;b&gt;non-defining clause&lt;/b&gt; whereas without the word 'well', a defining clause would be suggested.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Non-defining clause:&lt;br&gt;&lt;/font&gt;"&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;I ate the fish, (which was/had been) well cooked &lt;font color="#000080"&gt;&lt;em&gt;by his wife&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/font&gt;.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;"&amp;nbsp; (You need a comma) &lt;br&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;If you omit 'well', a &lt;b&gt;defining clause&lt;/b&gt; is suggested:&lt;br&gt;&lt;/font&gt;"&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;I ate the fish (that was) cooked &lt;font color="#000080"&gt;&lt;em&gt;by his wife&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/font&gt;.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;"&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/font&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Analysis of a sentence</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/AnalysisOfASentence/vcgbm/post.htm#345673</link><pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:09:36 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:345673</guid><dc:creator>Doll</dc:creator><description>&lt;P&gt;Walking as if each step were painful&lt;B&gt;&lt;SUP&gt;1&lt;/SUP&gt;&lt;/B&gt;, she slowly pushed open the glass door and hobbled down the nearest aisle&lt;B&gt;&lt;SUP&gt;2&lt;/SUP&gt;&lt;/B&gt;. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;1: Dependant clause (what kind of&amp;nbsp; dependant clause??)&amp;nbsp; I'm kind of confused as to the&amp;nbsp; nature of&amp;nbsp; this subordinate clause...&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt;It is reduced clause(While/As she was walking...)&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;2: Main clause&amp;nbsp; &lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt;Yes.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Walking: past progressive? (which tense is?)&amp;nbsp; &lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt;With a big probability it is past progressive.&lt;/FONT&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;As if: describes how a situation seems to be&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt; Yes.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/FONT&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Each: determiner&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt;Yes.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Step: noun&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt;Yes.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Were: linking verb (copula)&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt;Yes.&lt;/FONT&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Painful: predicator adjective (predicate adjective)&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt;I am not sure.&lt;/FONT&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;She: personal pronoun, 3&lt;SUP&gt;rd&lt;/SUP&gt; person&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Slowly: adverb&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Pushed: V. Simple past, transitive&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;(pushed open): Verbal phraseâ&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The: (adjective, determinant, definite article)&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt;Yes.&lt;/FONT&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Glass door: compound noun or:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Glass: adjective noun (is there a&amp;nbsp; term for nouns used as adjectives?)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Door: noun&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt;Glass door --compound noun.Most compound nouns are formed by nouns modified by other nouns or &lt;EM&gt;adjectives.Here is&amp;nbsp;some information for you:&lt;/EM&gt;We can use a &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.usingenglish.com/glossary/noun.html" target="_blank" title="http://www.usingenglish.com/glossary/noun.html"&gt;&lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt;noun&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt; as an &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.usingenglish.com/glossary/adjective.html" target="_blank" title="http://www.usingenglish.com/glossary/adjective.html"&gt;&lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt;adjective&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt; when it precedes a noun that it modifies; a mountain bike is a bike designed for riding up mountains. 'Mountain' functions as an adjective modifying the noun bike.&lt;/FONT&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;And: conjunction, links main clause with verbal phrase (compound verb:&amp;nbsp; pushed&amp;nbsp; +&amp;nbsp; hobbled). Not too sure as to how to&amp;nbsp; define the use of the conjunction here.&amp;nbsp; I would assume&amp;nbsp; "and"&amp;nbsp; here&amp;nbsp; links the main clause with the&amp;nbsp; verbal phrase hobbled down the nearest aisle.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt;It is coordinating conjunction.I think here &lt;EM&gt;and &lt;/EM&gt;links&amp;nbsp; independent clauses.&lt;/FONT&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Hobbled down: verbal phrase&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The: definite article&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Nearest: adj.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Aisle: noun&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt;Yes.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description></item><item><title>Trouble understanding this...</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/TroubleUnderstandingThis/vczmp/post.htm</link><pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 03:20:03 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:345574</guid><dc:creator>SeekerOfPeace</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Right or wrong?&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;âFor a moment&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, I even thought&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
that this was some sort of test&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt; and that this woman was someone from
the head office&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, testing my loyalty&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.â&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1: Prepositional phrase used adverbially.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2: Main clause&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3: Dependant clause&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;4: Dependant clause&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;5: Participial phrase&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For: preposition,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A: indefinite determinant&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Moment: noun&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I: personal pronoun, 1&lt;sup&gt;st&lt;/sup&gt; person, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Even: adverb, expressing surprise&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That: relative pronoun? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This: pronoun&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Was: L.V. simple past&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Some: determiner, determines âsortâ, indefinite article&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sort: noun&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of: preposition&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Test: noun&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And: subordinating conjunction, (I thought and could only
be used as a coordinating conjunction??)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This: definite article&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Woman: noun&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Was: L.V. simple past&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Someone: indefinite pronoun&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From: preposition, links someone and head office&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Head office: compound noun+ head used as an adjective
rather than a noun here. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Testing: present participle (verb?)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My: determiner&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Loyalty: noun&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Analysis of a sentence</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/AnalysisOfASentence/vczrk/post.htm#345365</link><pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:41:02 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:345365</guid><dc:creator>SeekerOfPeace</dc:creator><description>Thanks Philip. &lt;img src="/emoticons/emotion-2.gif" alt="Big Smile [:D]" /&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How about the next one:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Walking as if each step were
painful&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, she slowly pushed open the glass
door and hobbled down the nearest aisle&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;



&lt;p&gt;1: Dependant clause (what kind of&amp;nbsp; dependant clause??)&amp;nbsp; I'm kind of confused as to the&amp;nbsp; nature of&amp;nbsp; this subordinate clause...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2: Main clause&lt;/p&gt;



&lt;p&gt;Walking: past progressive?
(which tense is?) &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As if: describes how a
situation seems to be&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Each: determiner &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Step: noun&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Were: linking verb (copula)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Painful: predicator adjective
(predicate adjective)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;She: personal pronoun, 3&lt;sup&gt;rd&lt;/sup&gt; person&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Slowly: adverb&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Pushed: V. Simple past, transitive&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(pushed open): Verbal phraseâ&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The: (adjective, determinant, definite article)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Glass door: compound noun or:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Glass:
adjective noun (is there a&amp;nbsp; term for nouns used as adjectives?)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Door: noun&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And: conjunction,
links main clause with verbal phrase (compound verb:&amp;nbsp; pushed&amp;nbsp; +&amp;nbsp; hobbled). Not too sure as to how to&amp;nbsp; define the use of the conjunction here.&amp;nbsp; I would assume&amp;nbsp; "and"&amp;nbsp; here&amp;nbsp; links the main clause with the&amp;nbsp; verbal phrase hobbled down the nearest aisle. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hobbled down: verbal phrase&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The: definite article&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nearest: adj.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Aisle: noun&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: How does &amp;quot;the&amp;quot; modify plurals followed by relative clauses?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/DoesModifyPluralsFollowedRelative-Clauses/vrhbw/post.htm#336132</link><pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:08:30 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:336132</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>&lt;b&gt;A&lt;/b&gt;. She talked to &lt;b&gt;the&lt;/b&gt; students who failed the test. &lt;br&gt;
(Am I referring to some of the students who failed, or all (the?) students who failed?)&lt;br&gt;
&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;All who failed.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;b&gt;B. &lt;/b&gt;She talked to students who failed the test. &lt;br&gt;
(Am I referring to all (the?) students who failed, or have I incorrectly omitted "the"?)&lt;br&gt;
&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;i&gt;to students who failed the test = to some students who failed the test&lt;/i&gt;, where &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; may be &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; can include &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp; She may have talked to three
students, and only three failed the test (those three) or maybe five or
six failed the test.&amp;nbsp; In either case she talked to students who
failed the test.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;b&gt;C. &lt;/b&gt;"Students who don't study usually fail." &lt;br&gt;
(Am I referring to all (the?) students who don't study, or have I incorrectly omitted "the"?)&lt;br&gt;
&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;all (the) students who don't study.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;b&gt;&lt;br&gt;D. &lt;/b&gt;"&lt;b&gt;The&lt;/b&gt; students who don't study usually fail." &lt;br&gt;
(Am I referring to all (the?) students who don't study, or some of the students who failed?) &lt;br&gt;
&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;all (the) students who don't study.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
C. and D. are equivalent logically.&amp;nbsp; C is a general (universal)
statement about all students; D is a specific statement about all the
students the speaker has singled out through previous contextual cues.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
PS: Although &lt;b&gt;A&lt;/b&gt; has "the" and &lt;b&gt;C&lt;/b&gt; doesn't, they both sound natural to me. So does "the" modify the whole "students who blah blah" or just "studnets"? &lt;br&gt;
&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Strictly speaking, &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; does not &lt;u&gt;modify&lt;/u&gt;
anything; it never does.&amp;nbsp; But it acts as the determiner for the
whole noun phrase with its relative clause, not just the head noun.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
CJ&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Pre/Post-modification</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/PrePostModification/dmrjc/post.htm#309674</link><pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 13:46:04 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:309674</guid><dc:creator>Mister Micawber</dc:creator><description>&lt;br&gt;&lt;u&gt;a dark ceiling&lt;/u&gt;. -- &lt;b&gt;article, adjective, noun&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;u&gt;two large windows&lt;/u&gt; &lt;u&gt;on one side&lt;/u&gt;.&amp;nbsp; --&lt;b&gt; determiner/quantifier, adjective, noun;&amp;nbsp; preposition, determiner/quantifier, noun&lt;br&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;u&gt;a very nice paper&lt;/u&gt;&amp;nbsp; -- &lt;b&gt;determiner, adverb, adjective, noun&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;u&gt;a native shop&lt;/u&gt;.&amp;nbsp; --&lt;b&gt; as with&lt;i&gt; a dark ceiling&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;u&gt;a very nice pink stripe&lt;/u&gt;.&amp;nbsp; -- &lt;b&gt;as with &lt;i&gt;a very nice paper,&lt;/i&gt; but one more adjective&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am wondering if "a" , "two" and "one" are adjectives or determiners so that I can call them pre-modifiers or not. -- &lt;b&gt;both adjectives and determiners are pre-modifiers if they precede the noun.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;which
didn't look Chinese at all.--&lt;b&gt; all the words following
"which" are together a post-modifying adjective clause.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: many</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Many/dlqlc/post.htm#309419</link><pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:46:49 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:309419</guid><dc:creator>Inchoateknowledge</dc:creator><description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="txt4"&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Anonymous wrote:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;font color="#008000"&gt;I agree with Fantasy. Below are my references.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oxford Advanced:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;"That&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(...)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;adverb&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1&amp;nbsp;used when saying how much or showing how long, big, etc. sth is with your hands: I canât walk that far (= as far as that).&amp;nbsp;- &amp;nbsp;Itâs about that long.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;2 &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;not (all) ~&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;not very, or not as much as has been said&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;: It isnât all that cold.&amp;nbsp;- There arenât &lt;strong&gt;that many people&lt;/strong&gt; here.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3 (BrE, informal) used to emphasize how much: I was that scared I didnât know what to do. "&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cambridge:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=82269&amp;amp;dict=CALD" target="_blank" title="http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=82269&amp;amp;dict=CALD"&gt;http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=82269&amp;amp;dict=CALD&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hello Fantasy&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;that -- conjunction, introduces the noun clause which is the object of the verb: have seen&lt;br&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;that&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/font&gt; in the sentence is not this that:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=82269&amp;amp;dict=CALD" target="_blank" title="http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=82269&amp;amp;dict=CALD"&gt;http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=82269&amp;amp;dict=CALD&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;but this:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=82267&amp;amp;dict=CALD" target="_blank" title="http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=82267&amp;amp;dict=CALD"&gt;http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=82267&amp;amp;dict=CALD&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;table class="luna-Ent"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="dn"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;I have not seen&lt;/font&gt; &lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;(that many crowded &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;at the entrance)&lt;/font&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let me parse this sentence for you in two possible ways:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;I -- subject&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;have seen -- verb&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;not -- adverb&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;that many crowded &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;at the entrance -- noun clause, object of the verb: &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;have seen&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;at the entrance -- prep phrase and a locative adverbial phrase.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Another interpretation:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;I have not seen&lt;/font&gt; &lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;(that many)&amp;nbsp; crowded &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;at the entrance&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I -- subject&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;have seen -- verb&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;not -- adverb&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;that many -- object, &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; is a determiner which modifies &lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;many ((noun) &lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;a&lt;/font&gt; large or &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;considerable number of persons or things.)&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;An adverb does never modify a noun.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;crowded -- postmodify the object and is a participle (past participle in form, but simply a participle in function)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;at the entrance -- adverbial phrase&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;What I was trying to say in my previous posts and you did not understand was that I meant the sentence with the former interpretation, not the latter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;If you still do not understand me, never mind.&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: The Virgin Mary or Virgin Mary</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/TheVirginMaryOrVirginMary/2/djxjb/Post.htm#298980</link><pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:05:37 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:298980</guid><dc:creator>Grodada</dc:creator><description>One possible explanation to the presence of the determiner THE may be that "the Virgin Mary" is in fact an elliptic form of "the virgin called Mary" (or even "the virgin who is called Mary").&lt;br&gt;If we accept the idea of an ellipsis, the term "virgin" is thus a substantive in the context and that substantive is modified by the following relative clause, which explains the presence of the determiner THE.&lt;br&gt;I am not a native speaker so could someone tell me if the hypothetical original form ("the virgin who is called Mary") seems plausible ?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>