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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Search results for 'tag:Essays tag:Subjunctives' matching tags 'Essays' and 'Subjunctives'</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/search/pro.htm?q=tag%3aEssays+tag%3aSubjunctives</link><description>Search results for 'tag:Essays tag:Subjunctives' matching tags 'Essays' and 'Subjunctives'</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>CSMOD (Build: 3256.36449)</generator><item><title>Re: without 'will' ?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WithoutWill/zvldh/post.htm#440494</link><pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:21:56 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:440494</guid><dc:creator>Mister Micawber</dc:creator><description>&lt;br&gt;We welcome your opinions, Marcelinx, but it is dangerous to try to compare your native language so closely with English-- they do not work the same way.&amp;nbsp; Nor is your logic very careful.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;Well, I certainly hope he helps you.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is nothing subjunctive about this.&amp;nbsp; The form of the subjunctive verb-- as you said-- is the same for all persons:&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt; I help, you help, he help&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;Hope &lt;/i&gt;(and it may have been my comments that Kooyeen refers to) indeed is among the verbs that commonly take the present simple indicative for future reference in preference to the 'will' future.&amp;nbsp; Other verbs are &lt;i&gt;see, assume&lt;/i&gt;,&lt;i&gt; suppose&lt;/i&gt; and a few more (&lt;i&gt;I suppose the train is on time&lt;/i&gt;).&amp;nbsp; In addition, there are many more verbs for which the future can be cast as simple present indicative in the subordinate clause.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The use of the subjunctive in true unreal clauses (&lt;i&gt;I wish I were King&lt;/i&gt;) is slowly being superseded by the indicative equivalent (&lt;i&gt;I wish I was King&lt;/i&gt;), to the extent that the subjunctive form is needed only on language examinations and English class essays. It is not a matter of who you are speaking to, certainly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: I wish I was/were there</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/IWishIWasWereThere/6/dkxrw/Post.htm#303747</link><pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:37:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:303747</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator><description>And you're a teacher?&amp;nbsp; Of kindergarteners?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I'm not an expert, but I have been educated formally on grammar all of my life.&amp;nbsp; The "wish" usage is in the subjunctive tense, just like "If I were..." and although there are well known writers that use "was" that is simply incorrect.&amp;nbsp; http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/061.html For formal documents and essays, I flinch when I hear "was" in the subjunctive form.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Why &amp;quot;had&amp;quot; instead of &amp;quot;has&amp;quot;?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyHadInsteadOfHas/dwdbw/post.htm#290759</link><pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:51:16 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:290759</guid><dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator><description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="txt4"&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Maple wrote:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;
&lt;P&gt;It is no accident that the twentieth century should be the century of highly centralized governments and totalitarian dictatorships; it &lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt;had&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt; to be so for the simple reason that the twentieth century is the century of planetary overcrowding.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;(the essay was written in the 20th century)&lt;/P&gt;

&lt;P&gt;Why did&amp;nbsp;the author use "had" instead of "has"? Is it a kind of subjunctive? &lt;/P&gt;



&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;Not a subjunctive.&amp;nbsp; I think it should be 'has'.&lt;/FONT&gt;</description></item><item><title>Why &amp;quot;had&amp;quot; instead of &amp;quot;has&amp;quot;?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhyHadInsteadOfHas/dwcwd/post.htm</link><pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:34:52 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:290584</guid><dc:creator>Maple</dc:creator><description>&lt;P&gt;It is no accident that the twentieth century should be the century of highly centralized governments and totalitarian dictatorships; it &lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt;had&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt; to be so for the simple reason that the twentieth century is the century of planetary overcrowding.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;(the essay was written in the 20th century)&lt;/P&gt;

&lt;P&gt;Why did&amp;nbsp;the author use "had" instead of "has"? Is it a kind of subjunctive? &lt;/P&gt;</description></item><item><title>None of is/are able vs. none of us was/were able</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/NoneAbleNoneAble/dvvgr/post.htm</link><pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:54:45 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:271473</guid><dc:creator>Mr Patrick</dc:creator><description>The following problem came up in class today:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;font color="#006400"&gt;None of us was/were able to communicate with the alien.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt; Now, I was taught to find the head subject and then form the verb according to the number of this head subject, but here I am not sure whether &lt;font color="#006400"&gt;none of&lt;/font&gt; modifies &lt;font color="#006400"&gt;us&lt;/font&gt; (&amp;gt; were) or &lt;font color="#006400"&gt;of us&lt;/font&gt; modifies &lt;font color="#006400"&gt;none&lt;/font&gt; (&amp;gt; was).&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oddly, Google has this to say:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;font color="#006400"&gt;none of us was able&lt;/font&gt; (1.460 occurences, 60%)&lt;br&gt;&lt;font color="#006400"&gt;none of us were able&lt;/font&gt; (970 occurences, 40%)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;but also,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;font color="#006400"&gt;none of us is able&lt;/font&gt; (9.420 occurrences, 91%)&lt;br&gt;&lt;font color="#006400"&gt;none of us are able&lt;/font&gt; (897 occurrences, 9%)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How strange!&amp;nbsp; The preference seems to change according to the tense of the verb.&amp;nbsp; What do you make of it? Can the difference in frecuency be explained by the use of subjunctive "were"?&amp;nbsp; And, which of the four varieties would you allow in an essay?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Will,Would,Shall,Should</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WillWouldShallShould/cdllv/post.htm#185151</link><pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:18:29 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:185151</guid><dc:creator>Ivantalk</dc:creator><description>&lt;P&gt;To my understanding, will and shall&amp;nbsp;are used in future tense of course.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;But would and should &lt;B&gt;aren't only used&lt;/B&gt; in past tense.&lt;/P&gt;

&lt;P&gt;Sometimes "would"&amp;nbsp;is a polite way to give an ask question:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Would you like to have&amp;nbsp;your dinner with me?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;"Would"&amp;nbsp;be applied to Subjunctive If Cluases:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;If I were rich, I would buy a Benz.&lt;/P&gt;

&lt;P&gt;"Should" when not using to talk about sth. past, it means "ought to"&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;You&amp;nbsp;should finish your assignment after class.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;No one should commit crime.&lt;/P&gt;

&lt;P&gt;"Would" and "should" have the meaning of "past" when their usage like this:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I would have done the essay. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I could have done the essay. &lt;/P&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: there should be</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ThereShouldBe/bwqrc/post.htm#127451</link><pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:00:51 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:127451</guid><dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator><description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="txt4"&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Mister Micawber wrote:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I would go for the subjunctive myself, since it seems to be a formal essay:&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;1. It's important that there &lt;I&gt;be&lt;/I&gt; public libraries.&lt;BR&gt;2. It's vital that there &lt;I&gt;be&lt;/I&gt; a good public transport system.&lt;BR&gt;3. It's important that there &lt;I&gt;be&lt;/I&gt; plenty of open spaces.&lt;BR&gt;4. It's essential that there &lt;I&gt;be&lt;/I&gt; enough car parks.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;I totally agree.&amp;nbsp; However, if the subjunctive just sounds too formal, replace it with "that we have".&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: there should be</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ThereShouldBe/bwpqk/post.htm#127442</link><pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 03:21:31 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:127442</guid><dc:creator>Mister Micawber</dc:creator><description>&lt;br&gt;
I would go for the subjunctive myself, since it seems to be a formal essay:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
1. It's important that there &lt;i&gt;be&lt;/i&gt; public libraries.&lt;br&gt;


2. It's vital that there &lt;i&gt;be&lt;/i&gt; a good public transport system.&lt;br&gt;


3. It's important that there &lt;i&gt;be&lt;/i&gt; plenty of open spaces.&lt;br&gt;

4. It's essential that there &lt;i&gt;be&lt;/i&gt; enough car parks.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Subjunctive--still confused</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/SubjunctiveStillConfused/qmxj/post.htm</link><pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:59:12 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:82323</guid><dc:creator>Glee</dc:creator><description>Thanks a lot for your replies, but I'm still confused.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The essay topic is "What would you do if your child were caught shoplifting?" It asks a class of 17-year-old students to pretend that they are parents now. So I thought every move the 17-year-old hypothetical parent makes in his essay should be written in subjunctive mood. Doesn't that mean past tense will be more grammatical? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the following passage, is it OK to use the present tense as long as I stick to the rule of consistencey? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"If my child were caught shoplifting, I would be very sad. After all, his unlawful behavior INDICATES that I HAVE not taught him well. I would not scold him too harshly. Since I AM his father, I CONSIDER myself partly responsible for his mistake. Therefore, I would first try to understand the reason why he did this and then work out a solution to help him solve his problem. The most important thing IS that he KNOWS he HAS done something wrong and never MAKES the same mistake again." &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks again for your time.</description></item><item><title>Re: Subjunctive</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Subjunctive/qmrm/post.htm#82088</link><pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:53:20 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:82088</guid><dc:creator>Glee</dc:creator><description>Thanks a lot for your replies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The essay topic is "What would you do if your child were caught shoplifting?" It asks a class of 17-year-old students to pretend that they are parents now. So I thought every move the 17-year-old hypothetical parent makes in his essay should be written in subjunctive mood. Doesn't that mean past tense will be more grammatical?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the following passage, is it OK to use present tense as long as I stick to the rule of consistencey?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"If my child were caught shoplifting, I would be very sad. After all, his unlawful behavior INDICATES that I HAVE not taught him well. I would not scold him too harshly. Since I AM his father, I CONSIDER myself partly responsible for his mistake. Therefore, I would first try to understand the reason why he did this and then work out a solution to help him solve his problem. The most important thing IS that he KNOWS he HAS done something wrong and never MAKES the same mistake again."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks again for your time.</description></item></channel></rss>