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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Search results for 'tag:Grammar tag:Universities' matching tags 'Grammar' and 'Universities'</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/search/pro.htm?q=tag%3aGrammar+tag%3aUniversities&amp;tag=Grammar,Universities&amp;orTags=0</link><description>Search results for 'tag:Grammar tag:Universities' matching tags 'Grammar' and 'Universities'</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>CSMOD (Build: 3125.9045)</generator><item><title>Present perfect/simple past in since clause</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/PresentPerfectSimplePastSince-Clause/gjcrq/post.htm</link><pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:17:59 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:545937</guid><dc:creator>Viceidol</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hello, everyone:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;ve asked a question in &lt;a href="http://www.englishforums.com/English/QuestionAboutTenseUsageSinceClause/gwxpb/post.htm"&gt;http://www.englishforums.com/English/QuestionAboutTenseUsageSinceClause/gwxpb/post.htm&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;, but I find out there are more than I need to ask, so I think it would be better to write&amp;nbsp;a new&amp;nbsp;post. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Recently I saw several sentences using &lt;strong&gt;simple past&lt;/strong&gt; and &lt;strong&gt;present perefect&lt;/strong&gt; in their &lt;strong&gt;since clauses&lt;/strong&gt;. They are really confusing to me. I really hope you could help me comfirm their meaning. It may be very easy for you, but I&amp;#39;ve been wondering what their real meanings are for many days and couldn&amp;#39;t find a clue. Please take a look at the following sentences:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;1.&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;em&gt;&lt;u&gt;It&amp;#39;s a long time&lt;/u&gt; since he &lt;font color="#3366ff"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;has lived &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;there.&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;2.&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;em&gt;&lt;u&gt;It&amp;#39;s a long time&lt;/u&gt; since he&lt;strong&gt;&lt;font color="#ff6600"&gt; lived&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; there.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;3.&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;em&gt;&lt;u&gt;It is already 6 years&lt;/u&gt; since he &lt;strong&gt;&lt;font color="#3366ff"&gt;have lived&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; in New York.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;4.&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;em&gt;&lt;u&gt;It is already 6 years&lt;/u&gt; since he &lt;font color="#ff6600"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;lived&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt; in New York. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think those four sentences suggest &lt;strong&gt;&amp;quot;He doesn&amp;#39;t live here/in New York&amp;nbsp;now.&amp;quot;&lt;/strong&gt;, right? If&amp;nbsp;my understanding&amp;nbsp;is true,&amp;nbsp;then please see the next pairs of sentences:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;5.&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;em&gt;She has written to me frequently since I&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;strong&gt; have been&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt; ill.&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp; (Does it suggest &lt;strong&gt;&amp;quot;I am still ill now&amp;quot;&lt;/strong&gt;? If not, what does it suggest?)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;6.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt; She has written to me frequently since I &lt;font color="#ff6600"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;was &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;ill.&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp; (Does it suggest&lt;strong&gt; &amp;quot;I am not ill now.&amp;quot;&lt;/strong&gt;? If not, what does it suggest?)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If my understandings about sentence &lt;strong&gt;5&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;strong&gt;6&lt;/strong&gt; are right, then&amp;nbsp;I think that&amp;#39;s very tricky. Because sentence&lt;strong&gt; 1 &lt;/strong&gt;and&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;3, &lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;which also use &amp;quot;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;have done&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;in their since clauses,&amp;nbsp;suggest the same as&amp;nbsp;sentence &lt;strong&gt;2 &lt;/strong&gt;and&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;4,&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;which use&amp;nbsp;&lt;font color="#ff6600"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;simple past &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;in their since clauses. However, although sentence &lt;strong&gt;5&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;also uses&amp;nbsp;&amp;quot;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;have done&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;in its&amp;nbsp;since clause like sentence&lt;strong&gt; 1 &lt;/strong&gt;and&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;3 &lt;/strong&gt;do&lt;strong&gt;, &lt;/strong&gt;sentence &lt;strong&gt;5 &lt;/strong&gt;does not suggest the same thing as sentence&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;6&lt;/strong&gt; does&lt;strong&gt;. Why is that?&lt;/strong&gt; Is it because &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;sentence&lt;strong&gt; 1&lt;/strong&gt;,&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;2, 3, 4&amp;nbsp;&lt;/strong&gt;use&lt;strong&gt; &lt;u&gt;&amp;quot;It is + a period of time&amp;quot;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;structure? If so, I would be very amazed that simply a minor change like this would completely change the meaning of&amp;nbsp; &amp;quot;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;have done&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt; in the since clause. What do you &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;think?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here are some similar pairs of sentences:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;7.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt; Since she&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt; &lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#ff0000;"&gt;&lt;font color="#3366ff"&gt;has been&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/font&gt;at Beijing University, it has gone through great changes.&lt;/em&gt; (I think it suggests &lt;strong&gt;&amp;quot;She is still&amp;nbsp;at Beijing University now&amp;quot;&lt;/strong&gt;, am I right? If not, what does it suggest?)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;8.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt; Since she &lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#0000ff;"&gt;&lt;font color="#ff6600"&gt;was&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; at Beijing University, it has gone through great changes.&lt;/em&gt; (I think it suggests &lt;strong&gt;&amp;quot;She is not at Beijing University now&amp;quot;&lt;/strong&gt;, am I right? If not, what does it suggest?)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;9.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;u&gt;It&amp;#39;s already 5 years &lt;/u&gt;since he &lt;font color="#3366ff"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;has been&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt; in the army.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;10. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;u&gt;It&amp;#39;s already 5 years&lt;/u&gt; since he &lt;font color="#ff6600"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;was&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt; in the army.&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think sentence &lt;strong&gt;9&lt;/strong&gt; and &lt;strong&gt;10&lt;/strong&gt; both suggest &lt;strong&gt;&amp;quot;He is&amp;nbsp;not in the army now&amp;quot;,&lt;/strong&gt; am I right? (Because &lt;strong&gt;&lt;u&gt;&amp;quot;It is + a period of time&amp;quot;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp; structure is used in the main clauses.) If not, what does it suggest?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;11.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&amp;nbsp;They have been happy since they &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;have lived&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt; in London.&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;(I think it suggests &lt;strong&gt;&amp;quot;They still lives in London&amp;nbsp;now&amp;quot;&lt;/strong&gt;, am I right? If not, what does it suggest?)&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;12.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;em&gt;They have been happy since they&lt;font color="#ff6600"&gt;&lt;strong&gt; lived&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt; in London.&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;(I think it suggests &lt;strong&gt;&amp;quot;They don&amp;#39;t live in London&amp;nbsp;now&amp;quot;&lt;/strong&gt;, am I right? If not, what does it suggest?)&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;13.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;u&gt;It&amp;#39;s a long time&lt;/u&gt;&amp;nbsp;since they &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;have lived&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt; in London.&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;14.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;em&gt;&lt;u&gt;It&amp;#39;s a long time&lt;/u&gt; since they&lt;font color="#ff6600"&gt;&lt;strong&gt; lived&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt; in London.&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think sentence&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;13&lt;/strong&gt; and &lt;strong&gt;14&lt;/strong&gt; both suggest &lt;strong&gt;&amp;quot;They don&amp;#39;t live in London&amp;nbsp;now&amp;quot;,&lt;/strong&gt; am I right? (Because &lt;strong&gt;&lt;u&gt;&amp;quot;It is + a period of time&amp;quot;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp; structure is used in the main clauses.) If not, what does it suggest?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know those questions might be a piece of cake for native speakers, but&amp;nbsp;they&amp;#39;re totally confusing to me. I&amp;#39;ve searched all my grammar books for the answer but couldn&amp;#39;t find one. I would appreciate it if you could help me solve my doubt. Thank you for reading this post!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;</description></item><item><title>Please I need help! Could you take a look at my application!!!</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/CouldLookApplication/gwdqk/post.htm</link><pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:57:37 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:541579</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;h2&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;h2&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;h2&gt;Hallo &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;h2&gt;&lt;span&gt;I am for the first time here.&lt;/span&gt; I want to apply for a position of German account internship in an chinese company.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/h2&gt; &lt;h2&gt;I never wrote an application before. Can you please look at this letter and give me some advice what can I do better.&lt;br /&gt;I am also not sure about the grammar. Can you please tell me if something is wrong!&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP !!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;font&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Dear &lt;strong&gt;***,&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;I am writing you to express my interest in the German account internship at the company ***.&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;I am currently studying a B.A. in Computer Science with an e-Business focus&lt;strong&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;at the&lt;strong&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;***&amp;nbsp; graduating in 2010. &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;My aim is to work in an international field of work related to marketing and consulting. Subjects which I am studying that are relevant to the post of German account internship include Project Management, R&amp;amp;D, Finance and Controlling, Developing Database, Marketing and Strategic Management. &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;At the work as a student employee in a small team I have collected experiences with Photoshop and Dreamweaver. The work has referred to the updating and developing of the WNB homepage.&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;With pleasure I would offer to you my cooperation and I am very interested in gaining an opportunity with your company to use the skills I developed, in a 6 months-practical internship, starting in September 2008.&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;I have excellent teamwork and leadership skills as evidenced by numerous university projects involving teams. I have a good command of written and spoken German. I also have a good command of written and spoken English and Russian. &amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;I have strong evidence to show that my communication and organisational skills are also well developed.&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt; An opportunity to apply my skills with an international perspective at your company would be an excellent opportunity for both of us.&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;I enclose my CV outlining my experience to date and key skill areas which I believe are relevant to this post. I would welcome the opportunity to discuss my application with you and I look forward to hear from you.&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Thank you very much for your time and consideration.&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Yours sincerely&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;***&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: sweet water.</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/SweetWater/2/ggqbp/Post.htm#535260</link><pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:54:27 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:535260</guid><dc:creator>Yoong Liat</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi New2grammar and Khoff&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When Singaporeans ask for water in a restaurant, they use the term &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;pain water&lt;/strong&gt;. Plain water &lt;/em&gt;may&lt;em&gt;,&lt;/em&gt; nevertheless, have ice in it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Standard English speakers&lt;/strong&gt; would simply ask for&lt;em&gt; &lt;strong&gt;water.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Singapore English in a Nutshell by Adam Brown)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The author is an Associate Professor in the School of Arts of the National Institute of Education, Nanyang&amp;nbsp;Technological University. He has taught at universities in Britain,Thailand and Malaysia. He holds a doctorate in phonetics frrom the University of Edinburgh, and has written widely on lingustics and English language teaching.&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: English grammar help</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/EnglishGrammarHelp/ggpmj/post.htm#535152</link><pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:14:26 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:535152</guid><dc:creator>Marius Hancu</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;Also:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;The chances &lt;b&gt;for&lt;/b&gt; a newborn baby &lt;b&gt;to survive&lt;/b&gt; are good now.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-------&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=g5lWAAAAMAAJ&amp;amp;dq=%22chances+for+*+baby+to+survive%22"&gt;Bulletin &lt;b&gt;to&lt;/b&gt; the Schools / University of the State of New York&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;font&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;by University of the State of New York - &lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?q=+subject:%22Education%22"&gt;Education&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;font&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;div&gt;We knew that the &lt;b&gt;chances for the baby waxwing to survive&lt;/b&gt; were few. If we could &lt;br /&gt;
save the bird, we would. An old robin&amp;#39;s nest was placed in a pasteboard box, &lt;b&gt;...&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: creams and detergents</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/CreamsAndDetergents/2/ggggn/Post.htm#532453</link><pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:19:09 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:532453</guid><dc:creator>Goodman</dc:creator><description>&lt;h2 align="left"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/h2&gt; &lt;h2 align="left"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Mr. Miclawer,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt; &lt;h2 align="left"&gt;&lt;span&gt;I wasnât going to expand this pluralization discussion on â&lt;span style="COLOR:red;"&gt;creamsâ and âwinesâ.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;But it really bothered the heck out of me for two reasons. &lt;br /&gt;1) I really wanted to find out if I was really blowing hot air on this subject &lt;br /&gt;because of my misunderstanding of this topic, and 2) if there is another side of the usage &lt;br /&gt;I am not aware of.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is perhaps not relevant to the discussion but to establish my point,&amp;nbsp; I think it needs &lt;br /&gt;to be said. Mrs. Milton whom I learned English from was an excellent English teacher who&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;also had taught for 5 years at the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Beijing&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;University&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;, which is a top University in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;China&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;, by &lt;br /&gt;invitation of the Government.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Many of her students had&amp;nbsp;landed positions working&amp;nbsp;for the &lt;br /&gt;Chinese Government and the U.N. as translators and interpreters. I was very blessed to be &lt;br /&gt;among her students. Most of my English foundation was learned from her.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And I was really &lt;br /&gt;surprised to see your examples pluralizing âcreamâ and âwineâ. By your earlier examples, which I &lt;br /&gt;compared with the information found on the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;WEB&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;, I must ask this question. Am I to understand &lt;br /&gt;that itâs completely grammatical to say in a restaurant âmay I have 2 waters and soups?â.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I know &lt;br /&gt;we hear that all the time but if we are discussing the whether a particular usage is grammatically &lt;br /&gt;correct, running into this&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;type of scenario is inevitable.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Here are some âsupportsâ you had &lt;br /&gt;asked for which may not may not be validated to your satisfaction. No doubt, you are the &lt;br /&gt;English authority and perhaps possess âsuperiorityâ over many frequented this forum and I donât &lt;br /&gt;mean to sound like challenging &amp;nbsp;your examples, let alone to waste anymore of your time.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Nonetheless, as a serious learner, Iâd owe the real answers to myself and the&amp;nbsp;learners &amp;nbsp;if I just &lt;br /&gt;accepted your answers as given.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I may be wrong with my search result and you are correct. &lt;br /&gt;And If so,&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;here is my âadvanced apologyâ.&lt;span style="COLOR:red;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt; &lt;h2 align="left"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt; &lt;h2 align="left"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;h2 align="left"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt; &lt;h2 align="left"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/dick/tta/wc/nouns.htm"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Nouns&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt; only countable &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;nouns&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt; can be either &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;singular or plural&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; He had some ice cream on &lt;br /&gt;his face. He had an ice &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;cream&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;. mass. countable ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;font color="#008000"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/dick/tta/wc/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;nouns&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;.htm - 21k - &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:sCxOS15dNjwJ:www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/dick/tta/wc/nouns.htm+is+%22cream%22,+singular+or+plural+noun%3F&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ct=clnk&amp;amp;cd=4&amp;amp;gl=us"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#7777cc;"&gt;Cached&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; - &lt;a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;amp;q=related:www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/dick/tta/wc/nouns.htm"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#7777cc;"&gt;Similar pages&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;a href="http://ajaja.paradoxinc.org/Basic/Grammar/CountAndNoncount.ht"&gt;&lt;span&gt;http://ajaja.paradoxinc.org/Basic/Grammar/CountAndNoncount.ht&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;Liquids:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt; beer, milk, coffee, blood, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:red;"&gt;cream&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;, juice, honey, gasoline, oil, shampoo, soup, tea, water, wine.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;Solids and semi-solids: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;Bread, butter, cheese, ice, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:red;"&gt;ice cream,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;&lt;span&gt; lettuce, toast, meat, beef, chicken, fish, ham, lamb, pork, chalk, &lt;br /&gt;copper, cotton, glass, gold, iron, , soap, tin, toothpaste, wood, wool,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://leo.stcloudstate.edu/grammar/countnon.html"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font color="#800080"&gt;http://leo.stcloudstate.edu/grammar/countnon.html&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;A Revision of the Rules&lt;/strong&gt;The exceptions require that the rule for pluralizing be revised: count nouns and nouns used &lt;br /&gt;in a count sense can be pluralized; noncount nouns and nouns used in a noncount sense cannot. &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt; &lt;div align="center"&gt; &lt;table cellspacing="3" cellpadding="0"&gt;  &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="BORDER-LEFT-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-TOP-COLOR:#ece9d8;BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR:#ece9d8;"&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="BORDER-LEFT-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-TOP-COLOR:#ece9d8;BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR:#ece9d8;"&gt; &lt;p style="TEXT-ALIGN:center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Pluralizes with -s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="BORDER-LEFT-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-TOP-COLOR:#ece9d8;BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR:#ece9d8;"&gt; &lt;p style="TEXT-ALIGN:center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Does not Pluralize&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="BORDER-LEFT-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-TOP-COLOR:#ece9d8;BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR:#ece9d8;"&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;Count Noun&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="BORDER-LEFT-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-TOP-COLOR:#ece9d8;BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR:#ece9d8;"&gt; &lt;p style="TEXT-ALIGN:center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;X&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="BORDER-LEFT-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-TOP-COLOR:#ece9d8;BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR:#ece9d8;"&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="BORDER-LEFT-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-TOP-COLOR:#ece9d8;BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR:#ece9d8;"&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;Count Use&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="BORDER-LEFT-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-TOP-COLOR:#ece9d8;BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR:#ece9d8;"&gt; &lt;p style="TEXT-ALIGN:center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;X&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="BORDER-LEFT-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-TOP-COLOR:#ece9d8;BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR:#ece9d8;"&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="BORDER-LEFT-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-TOP-COLOR:#ece9d8;BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR:#ece9d8;"&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;Noncount Noun&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="BORDER-LEFT-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-TOP-COLOR:#ece9d8;BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR:#ece9d8;"&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="BORDER-LEFT-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-TOP-COLOR:#ece9d8;BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR:#ece9d8;"&gt; &lt;p style="TEXT-ALIGN:center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;X&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td style="BORDER-LEFT-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-TOP-COLOR:#ece9d8;BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR:#ece9d8;"&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;Noncount Use&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="BORDER-LEFT-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-TOP-COLOR:#ece9d8;BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR:#ece9d8;"&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style="BORDER-LEFT-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR:#ece9d8;BORDER-TOP-COLOR:#ece9d8;BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR:#ece9d8;"&gt; &lt;p style="TEXT-ALIGN:center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;X&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div style="TEXT-ALIGN:center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#111111;"&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;hr align="center" /&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt; &lt;h3&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:blue;"&gt;http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080425090142AAom2ui&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/h3&gt; &lt;h3&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span&gt;Answers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span&gt; (4)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h3&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:blue;"&gt;If coffee is an uncountable noun, cream certainly is by common sense. Thus the rule applies. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Â·&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font&gt;&lt;span&gt;Answerer 1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:blue;"&gt;&lt;font&gt;Many nouns can be used as countables or uncountables.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font&gt;&lt;span&gt; It depends on whether you are thinking of a substance or &lt;br /&gt;a single serving or object made of the substance. So:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Beer is fattening (uncountable - the substance)&lt;br /&gt;Don&amp;#39;t drink more than three beers a day. (Countable - servings)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I love chocolate (uncountable - the substance)&lt;br /&gt;Get me a box of chocolates (countable - individual pieces)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A vase made of blown glass (uncountable - the substance)&lt;br /&gt;A glass of wine (A single piece / artifact)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Coffee gives me indigestion (the substance - uncountable)&lt;br /&gt;I need at least three coffees to wake up on a morning (countable - individual servings)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;ul&gt; &lt;ul&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font&gt;&lt;span&gt;2 months ago &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:blue;"&gt;&lt;font&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:blue;"&gt;&lt;font&gt;http://www3.law.cuny.edu/wc/students/multilingual/articles.html&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;font&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:blue;"&gt;Uncountable nouns often refer to drinks and food,&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="COLOR:blue;"&gt;other general substances&lt;/span&gt;, or concepts (&lt;em&gt;meat, tea, steel, information, justice&lt;/em&gt;):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Examples of Uncountable Nouns in English:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;ol&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;font&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;Food and Drink&lt;/span&gt;: bacon, beef, beer, bread, butter, cabbage, candy, cauliflower, chicken, chocolate, coffee, corn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:blue;"&gt;, &lt;br /&gt;cream&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:blue;"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt; fish, fruit, juice, lettuce, meat, milk, oil, pasta, rice, salt, spinach, sugar, tea, water, whiskey, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:blue;"&gt;wine,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; yogurt.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;font&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;General Substances&lt;/span&gt;: air,cement, clay, coal, copper, dirt, dust, foam, gasoline, gold, ice, leather, paper, petroleum, &lt;br /&gt;plastic, rain, rubber, silver, soap, steel, wood, wool.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;font&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;Abstract nouns&lt;/span&gt;: abandonment, access, adultery, advice, alimony, anger, anguish, arson, authentication, beauty, capacity, &lt;br /&gt;conduct, confidence, courage, deprivation, desperation, discretion, employment, empowerment, evidence, extortion, fortune,&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;fun, happiness, health, honesty, housing, information, insurance, intelligence, intent, knowledge, land, love, malice, negligence, &lt;br /&gt;poverty, privacy, real estate, sadness, satisfaction, strength, truth, wealth.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;font&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;Others&lt;/span&gt;: biology, clothing, darkness, equipment, furniture, gossip, homework, jewelry, luggage, machinery, mail, money, music, &lt;br /&gt;news, poetry, pollution, research, scenery, traffic, transportation, violence, weather, weight, work.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some uncountable nouns (except for concepts) can be turned into countable nouns by preposing a phrase to them &lt;br /&gt;(&lt;em&gt;two bottles of wine, a bar of soap, a piece of information, an act of violence, a burst of anger, a piece of evidence&lt;/em&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;e.g. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;The defendant&amp;#39;s lawyer is sure the judge will accept &lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;new evidence&lt;/span&gt; in this case.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;vs. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;The defendant&amp;#39;s lawyer is sure the judge will accept three new pieces of evidence in this case.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some uncountable nouns can be used in the plural, but their meaning changes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;experience / experiences: e.g., &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;He had to rely on experience / I lived unforgettable experiences &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Grammar help.Thanks</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarHelpThanks/gzgkg/post.htm#527601</link><pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:09:33 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:527601</guid><dc:creator>26TMNTJG2PG</dc:creator><description>Dear Sir or Madam&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I refer to&amp;nbsp;your recent advertisement.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#333333;"&gt;&lt;font&gt; P&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;lease accept this letter and resume for a sales Agronomist position currently available within your company.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font&gt;&lt;font&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;As my enclosed resume shows, I graduated from &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Orel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Agricultural&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;University&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;. I have experience in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Russia&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; and the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;USA and&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;during the last 6 years, my work had been as an agronomist in the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;USA&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;Given my related experience and excellent capabilities. I should deserve&amp;nbsp;your favorable consideration for this job opening. &lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;I am confident that I can make a valuable contribution to your organizationâs future projects and initiatives.&amp;nbsp;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Examples of results from my experience in recent years include the following:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Â·&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;Calculations of revenue expenses, profits and losses of agricultural companies;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;Forecasting of financial results, reports of production and determining the cost price of products;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;Agricultural planning and research;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;Improvement productivity and quality of agricultural crops, solving problems; and&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;Understanding&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;farm business.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;I believe that I have the skills and experience to be a good employee in your company, and I would appreciate the opportunity of an interview to discuss&amp;nbsp;my application further&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;. &lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;At the present time, I am looking for an employer who hires foreign worker to get a temporary work in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;Canada&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#333333;"&gt;My resume contains additional details regarding my career accomplishments. And I thank you in advance for your time and review of my qualifications&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Faithfully yours,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;p&gt;Name&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Standard spoken English</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/StandardSpokenEnglish/gzdkp/post.htm#526743</link><pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:00:04 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:526743</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator><description>Something to chew on:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;THE NOTION OF STANDARD SPOKEN GRAMMAR &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The term âstandard grammarâ is most typically associated with written language,&lt;br /&gt;and is usually considered to be characteristic of the recurrent usage of adult,&lt;br /&gt;educated native speakers of a language. Standard grammar ideally reveals no&lt;br /&gt;particular regional bias. Thus âStandard British Englishâ grammar consists of items&lt;br /&gt;and forms that are found in the written usage of adult educated native speakers&lt;br /&gt;from Wales, Scotland and England and those Northern Irish users who consider&lt;br /&gt;themselves part of the British English speech community.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The typical sources of evidence for standard usage are literary texts, quality&lt;br /&gt;journalism, academic and professional writing, etc. Standard grammar is given the&lt;br /&gt;status of the official record of educated usage by being written down in grammar&lt;br /&gt;books and taught in schools and universities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Spoken transcripts often have frequent occurrences of items and structures&lt;br /&gt;considered incorrect according to the norms of standard written English. However,&lt;br /&gt;many such forms are frequently and routinely used by adult, educated native speakers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Examples of such structures are split infinitives (e.g. We decided to immediately sell it),&lt;br /&gt;double negation (e.g. He wonât be late I donât think, as compared to I donât think he will&lt;br /&gt;be late), singular nouns after plural measurement expressions (e.g. Heâs about six foot&lt;br /&gt;tall), the use of contracted forms such as gonna (going to), wanna (want to), and so on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Standard spoken English grammar will therefore be different from standard&lt;br /&gt;written English grammar in many respects if we consider âstandardâ to be a&lt;br /&gt;description of the recurrent spoken usage of adult native speakers. What may be&lt;br /&gt;considered ânon-standardâ in writing may well be âstandardâ in speech.&lt;br /&gt;Speech and writing are not independent. Although some forms of spoken&lt;br /&gt;grammar do not appear in writing (unless in written dialogues), there is&lt;br /&gt;considerable overlap and there is an increasing range of forms appearing in&lt;br /&gt;informal written texts which previously were only considered acceptable in&lt;br /&gt;speech. In 120 the presence of typically spoken grammatical forms contexts as emails and internet chat-room exchanges is discussed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From: The Cambridge Grammar of English (GCE)</description></item><item><title>Re: Medical English/mature teacher</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/MedicalEnglishMatureTeacher/gzbwq/post.htm#526132</link><pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:40:02 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:526132</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator><description>Dear Loretta:

     Thank-you for your letter.  It is always interesting to hear from someone with a similar background or interest.  Let me answer some of your questions for you. I want to share with you what I have learned over the years in this business. I hope I can be blunt?

1) You asked:  what is the value of these certifications if one is already fluent in english and has taught professionals as part of their professional career? I teach adults at work all the time.
My response:  This is a common question for people who want to teach at any an all levels of ESL.   
a)  Simply being fluent in a language doesnât make you good at it.  Think of all the regional dialects and inner city dialects of English just in the USA alone.   Surely to goodness you can see this?  This question (and I know from experience) is perceived as incredibly rude and un-knowing by those people who have spent the time, effort and dedication learning how to teach language. 
b)  I am on faculty teaching nursing in a university program, full time.   There is a great deal of difference in teaching in a program and curriculum (particularly a program that moves in a lengthy step wise progression) than there is in teaching patient groups and communities in short programs.  I have done both of these (because I am a nurse) and am able to compare and contrast the two. 
c)   This statement could be perceived as diminishing the importance of teaching programs everywhere.  It suggests that just because a nurse has experience âteaching adults at work all the timeâ that he/she might just as well apply for a teaching job in general education!  Can you see where I am going with this?  Ouch.  It devalues the importance of  undergraduate, graduate and PhDs/MEds in education.  What if the teachers were to say this about nursing?
d)  What is the value?  Well, if you wish to teach in a school of any merit, you will need this type of credential, for the reasons I have just cited.  If you donât mind teaching at âany old language schoolâ of questionable repute and wages, then the credential isnât necessary.  Please donât let that discourage you.  You can always, always find work without the TESL certification and this is a FANTASTIC WAY to see the world.  FANTASTIC.   It just depends on your personal plans.

2)  You asked: if I have a web-based business for international students, do I still need TESL certification if I am not traveling abroad to teach?
My response:  no, you donât really ever NEED to have the TESL, as Iâve said.  But having it will improve your credibility exponentially. 

      Just in closing, Iâd like to share a bit about myself so that you will see I am speaking from experience.  I am a native English speaker.  I studied French in school.   I started my young adult years teaching English at Berlitz School of Languages and this helped pay for part of my nursing education.  In later years, I picked up the TESL Certificate because I wanted to travel and work teaching English.  Then I picked up Spanish!  Throughout all of this, I have been a career nurse &amp;amp; nursing instructor  first and foremost. I have a post-graduate diploma in Adult Education and a Masters of Science in Administration (Health focus).   In the next couple of months I will graduate with a Masters of Education in TESOL.  I believe I have a very, very solid background in language studies, adult education and nursing combined.  That is why I have been able to build up a reputation for English for Nurses and English for Medical Purposes worldwide. 

       Loretta, you have a fabulous background in Nursing and I would really like to encourage you to pursue your idea to teach Medical English. Those of us who are dually trained (Nursing and ESL) are very, very rare.  Itâs a challenging but rewarding niche market to get into!  

         Yours very truly,
     

          Melodie Hull, RPN, MSC, BA, TESL, PID, MED (candidate)
          Nurse-Educator &amp;amp; Consultant
          Canada 
Ps:  Yikes, just one more thing.  If you wish to be seen as a credible English language teacher, you must, must use proper grammar and capitalize titles, names and proper nouns as appropriate, especially if you are posting on the web. (Just a friendly hint.) 
MH</description></item><item><title>Grammar help.Thanks</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarHelpThanks/gzbbv/post.htm</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:50:27 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:526001</guid><dc:creator>Toma</dc:creator><description>&lt;span&gt;Dear Sir or Madam&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In response to your recent advertisement,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#333333;"&gt;&lt;font&gt; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;please accept this letter and resume for a sales Agronomist position currently available within your company. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font&gt;&lt;font&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;As my enclosed resume shows, I graduated of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Orel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Agricultural&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;University&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;. I have experience in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Russia&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; and the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;USA&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;. Especially during the last 6 years my work had been as an agronomist in the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;USA&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;. Given my related experience and excellent capabilities. I would appreciate your consideration for this job opening. &lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;I am confident that I can make a valuable contribution to your organizationâs future projects and initiatives. &lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Examples of results from my experience in recent years include the following:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Â·&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;Calculations of revenue expenses, profits and losses of agricultural companies&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Â·&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;Forecasting of financial results, reports of production and determining the cost price of products&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Â·&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;Agricultural planning and research&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Â·&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;Improvement productivity and quality of agricultural crops, solving problems&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Â·&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;Understanding&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;farm business&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I believe that I have the skills and experience to be a good employee in your company, and I would appreciate the opportunity to discuss your open the sales agronomist position.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt; . &lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;At the present time I am looking for an employer who hires foreign worker to get a temporary work in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;Canada&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#444444;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#333333;"&gt;My resume contains additional details regarding my career accomplishments. And I thank you in advance for your time and review of my qualifications.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Sincerely,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;Name&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Grammar Doubts help!</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/GrammarDoubtsHelp/gzrmq/post.htm#525911</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:40:15 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:525911</guid><dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;1) In 1963, she was graduated summa cum laude and become the first woman to receive the highest degree offered in sacred theology. Should it be &amp;quot;became&amp;quot;? Please advise. &lt;font color="#000000"&gt;Yes. &lt;/font&gt;(2) Penned in 1861, while she was in Washington, DC with her husband as he distributed supplies to Union soldiers, the poem became the call to arms during the Civil War&amp;#39;s final years and was a finalist as the national anthem until 1931. Does the phrase &amp;quot;and was a finalist as the national anthem until 1931&amp;quot; makes sense? &lt;font color="#000000"&gt;Not really. The writer, not the poem, was the finalist.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;Please advise. (3) She created a literary magazine, Northern Lights, that ran for eleven issues, wrote about her travels in Europe, published the Woman&amp;#39;s Journal that became a conduit for suffrage information, and penned varied other works, including a biography of Margaret Fuller in 1883. Is the phrase &amp;quot;and penned varied other works,&amp;quot; ok? Do we need rephrasing? &lt;font color="#000000"&gt;&amp;#39;Various&amp;#39; would be a more common word to choose. &lt;/font&gt;(4) Antoinette Brown was born in Henrietta, New York. At the age of eight, she indicated a desire to entire the ministry but was told that the pulpit was closed to women. Is it &amp;quot;entire the ministry&amp;quot;? Please explain meaning of the phrase. &lt;font color="#000000"&gt;The word should be &amp;#39;enter&amp;#39;, not &amp;#39;entire&amp;#39;. &lt;/font&gt;(5) Chastised by critics and the public alike when she was first published, Kate Chopin was rediscovered by later feminists and became their literary banner carrier for decades. Should it be &amp;quot;when she first published? Please check. &lt;font color="#000000"&gt;The phrase is OK as written. &lt;/font&gt;(6) She also sat on the board of Boston University and fought to end discrimination in hiring and among students on the campus. Is the phrase construction &amp;quot; discrimination in hiring and among students on the campus.&amp;quot; Ok? &lt;font color="#000000"&gt;Yes, but it&amp;#39;s not clear about what kind of discrimination the students are involved in. &lt;/font&gt;Please check. (7) During a speaking tour of the West she had taken by rail in spite of medical advice that she not ignore her pernicious anemia, Inez collapsed on stage during a presentation in Los Angeles. Can the sentence start be rephrased in a better way? I&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;t&amp;#39;s OK as written. &lt;/font&gt;Please rephrase. (8) Although Boissevain was an agent for social change, the&lt;/font&gt; &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;attention paid her was primarily a consequence of her physical attractiveness and her ability to offer entertainment. Should it be &amp;quot; the attention paid to her&amp;quot;? Please advise. &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;It&amp;#39;s OK to omit the &amp;#39;to&amp;#39;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best wishes, Clive&lt;/p&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>