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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Search results for 'tag:Indefinite articles tag:Idioms' matching tags 'Indefinite articles' and 'Idioms'</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/search/pro.htm?q=tag%3aIndefinite+articles+tag%3aIdioms&amp;tag=Indefinite+articles,Idioms&amp;orTags=0</link><description>Search results for 'tag:Indefinite articles tag:Idioms' matching tags 'Indefinite articles' and 'Idioms'</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>CSMOD (Build: 3191.21962)</generator><item><title>Re: Comes at too high a price...</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ComesAtTooHighAPrice/gxhcr/post.htm#571965</link><pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:01:18 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:571965</guid><dc:creator>Madhulk</dc:creator><description>Thanks, Philip!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But can you clarify me &amp;#39;Come at too high a price&amp;#39;? Is it an idiom?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Because when I watched the episode I heard it as &amp;#39;come at too high price&amp;#39;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You know, without the indefinite article &amp;#39;a&amp;#39;. And I thought of it to mean &amp;#39;to face the consequences&amp;#39;. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But then I read the subs and noticed the presence of &amp;#39;a&amp;#39;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So can you analyse the whole thing for me?&amp;nbsp;</description></item><item><title>Re: Questions on modifiers</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/QuestionsOnModifiers/gxrvm/post.htm#569988</link><pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:22:57 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:569988</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Anonymous&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;If a definition of the word &amp;quot;float&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp;starts off like &amp;quot;a piece of wood or other light material that stays ...,&amp;quot; do you think the article &amp;quot;a&amp;quot; modifies the word &amp;quot;material&amp;quot;?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; No.&amp;nbsp; It can&amp;#39;t.&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; forces an uncountable interpretation on &lt;i&gt;material&lt;/i&gt;, so the indefinite article &lt;i&gt;a&lt;/i&gt; can&amp;#39;t occur there.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;_____&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;another&lt;/i&gt; (number)&amp;quot; means &amp;quot;(number) more&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;(number) additional&amp;quot;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;another three = three more = three additional&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; is &lt;u&gt;not&lt;/u&gt; used in this idiom.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;We need another three chairs.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Henry bought another five books today.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;CJ&amp;nbsp;</description></item><item><title>Looking for some tips and/or curriculum suggestions</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LookingTipsCurriculumSuggestions/glrwm/post.htm</link><pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:50:11 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:555317</guid><dc:creator>mikesusangray</dc:creator><description>Hi all!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;ve been giving English conversation lessons to a theology professor for about a year now. He&amp;#39;s getting on in the years - a couple years from retirement - and his primary goal has been just to get his spoken English going a little stronger. His mother tongue is French but he&amp;#39;s been teaching at a German language university for many years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;d like to add some more specific inputs to our lessons but I can&amp;#39;t seem to find the right material. His passive skills are excellent - he reads widely and with perfect comprehension in his field - and he can communicate quite understandably. He is a linguistics specialist and can grasp any concept about the language immediately. I brought along Cambridge Advanced Grammar in Use and he could plow through a chapter in five minutes with perfect conceptual comprehension.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, he also continues to make very simple errors - for example, he has trouble choosing between present simple and continuous or often uses the present tense for past events. Sentence order tends to get wander hither and yon while definite and indefinite articles come and go with the tide. (Prepositions are a problem too, but I won&amp;#39;t beat him to hard there - prepositions are difficult in any new language.) In many cases his mistakes are typical of French or German speech patterns.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One other limitation is that he enjoys the weekly lessons (a good hour), but doesn&amp;#39;t have much time to study in between.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Right now we spend about 15 minutes reading a chapter from Advanced Grammar in Use and about 45 minutes talking about just about anything under the sun, while I take notes and show him problems under the categories Pronunciation/Articles &amp;amp; Prespositions/Word Order/Other Grammar/Vocabulary/Idioms. However, I don&amp;#39;t think the work book is a good choice - particularly since he doesn&amp;#39;t do the homework - and it seems like he isn&amp;#39;t making very good progress with his typical problem patterns - though he greets them like old friends when I point them out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any tips here?</description></item><item><title>Re: articles giving me a headache again</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ArticlesGivingHeadacheAgain/zwdpk/post.htm#458041</link><pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 02:42:28 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:458041</guid><dc:creator>Mister Micawber</dc:creator><description>&lt;br&gt;As stated, '&lt;i&gt;come into view&lt;/i&gt;' is the expected idiom.&amp;nbsp; However, it seems to me that #2 is odd primarily because of the indefinite article; '&lt;i&gt;the ocean came into &lt;b&gt;our &lt;/b&gt;view&lt;/i&gt;' would work much better.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: the same/take note</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/TheSameTakeNote/zhrcr/post.htm#452030</link><pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:27:22 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:452030</guid><dc:creator>Cool Breeze</dc:creator><description>Here's what I would say:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;We are going to stay in/at a nice hotel, just like famous actors.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wouldn't use &lt;i&gt;the same as&lt;/i&gt; here at all. I might say: &lt;i&gt;We stayed at the same hotel as famous actors.&lt;/i&gt; You have an indefinite article in the main clause, though.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;I am interested in learning foreign languages and so/thus/therefore/consequently I am considering your offer.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;I consider your idiom wrong in this sentence.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;You had better do something to your hair so I can look at you when we meet.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;CB&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: indefinite article with proper name</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/IndefiniteArticleProperName/zgcvn/post.htm#447742</link><pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:41:24 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:447742</guid><dc:creator>Cool Breeze</dc:creator><description>Hi Muttley&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unfortunately there are a myriad cases involving proper nouns with &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;adjectival attributes&lt;/font&gt; and the indefinite article. You'll just have to learn them piecemeal. As you said in your first post, &lt;i&gt;a/an&lt;/i&gt; is often used with a person's name:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;We met a &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;sad&lt;/font&gt; George yesterday.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/i&gt;The indefinite article is usually not used with place names in similar cases:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;We arrived in &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;fascinating&lt;/font&gt; Amsterdam yesterday.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To my mind, the use of the articles in general is the most difficult single aspect of English grammar because very often there is absolutely no logic to it and there are thousands, if not tens of thousands of idioms with or without an article. Just be patient and don't lose heart when you realise the absence of logic and order.&lt;img src="/emoticons/emotion-1.gif" alt="Smile [:)]" /&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;CB&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>These Boots Are Made For Walkin</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/TheseBootsMadeWalkin/vjjvw/post.htm</link><pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:49:51 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:380978</guid><dc:creator>XilefNori</dc:creator><description>Great song by Nancy Sinatra! Still makes me somewhat confusin...&lt;br&gt;&lt;pre&gt;-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br&gt;Included only for reference (no need to read the whole song)&lt;br&gt;-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;You keep saying you've got something for me.&lt;br&gt;something you call love, but confess.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;You've been a messin&lt;/b&gt;' where you shouldn't &lt;b&gt;have been a messin&lt;/b&gt;'&lt;br&gt;and now someone else is gettin' all your best.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These boots are made for walking, and that's just what they'll do&lt;br&gt;one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You keep lying, when you &lt;b&gt;oughta be truthin&lt;/b&gt;'&lt;br&gt;and you keep losin' when you &lt;b&gt;oughta not bet&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;br&gt;You &lt;b&gt;keep samin&lt;/b&gt;' when you &lt;b&gt;oughta be a changin&lt;/b&gt;'.&lt;br&gt;Now what's right is right, but you ain't been right yet.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;i&gt;These boots are made for walking, and that's just what they'll do&lt;br&gt;one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You keep playin' where you &lt;b&gt;shouldn't be a playin&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;and you keep thinkin' that youÂ´ll never get burnt.&lt;br&gt;Ha!&lt;br&gt;I just found me a brand new box of matches yeah&lt;br&gt;and what he knows you ain't HAD time to learn.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These boots are made for walking, and that's just what they'll do&lt;br&gt;one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;p&gt;Actually I understand the whole song.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;b&gt;You've been a messin &lt;/b&gt;- Have been doing something&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;oughta be truthin&lt;/b&gt; - You should say truth&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;keep samin&lt;/b&gt; - being the same&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;shouldn't be a playin&lt;/b&gt; - should not play&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;oughta be a changin&lt;/b&gt; - you should change&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;oughta not bet&lt;/b&gt; - you shouldn't bet on something&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;p&gt;What is confusing about it is that these are not idioms which are more or less rational. &lt;font color="#808080"&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#808080"&gt;(by the way, I think I expressed my self clear, but maybe not formally right. I would be greateful if &lt;br&gt;someone writes the right version of this sentence)&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It's more like to be some kind of slang or something. E.g. "keep samin" this is defenitely not an idiom. Ok not defenitely, but according to dictionary.com (http://www.reference.com/search?q=keep%20samin&amp;amp;r=d&amp;amp;db=web).&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;b&gt;You've been a messin &lt;/b&gt;(What indefinite article 'a' is doing here?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;oughta be truthin&lt;/b&gt; - (What 'in' is about?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;keep samin&lt;/b&gt; - (What is that, I mean how do we get it?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;shouldn't be a playin&lt;/b&gt; - (What indefinite article 'a' is doing here?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;oughta be a changin&lt;/b&gt; - (What indefinite article 'a' is doing here?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;oughta not bet&lt;/b&gt; - (I guess "oughta" means ought to?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;br&gt;The main question is: How I'm supposed to figure out what such phrases mean?&lt;br&gt;(to my own surprise I coped with those above)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;P.S. Hope you've got enough patience to read my post and still willing to help me! ;-)&lt;br&gt;Thank you in advance!&lt;pre&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: a means of</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/AMeansOf/dmxbb/post.htm#313583</link><pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:47:02 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:313583</guid><dc:creator>Vanyatka</dc:creator><description>Hi,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cambridge Dic says "means" is plural, like scissors or pants&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;means&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt; (METHOD) plural noun &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What is the matter with the leading indefinite article then, as in "a means of"? &lt;br&gt;Is it an idiom? But if we can single out one particular "means" of all available, then shouldn't it be countable?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Article</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Article/ccdzj/post.htm#177829</link><pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:10:37 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:177829</guid><dc:creator>rvw</dc:creator><description>I agree with paco2004 that the plural &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;fools&lt;/font&gt; is needed to agree with &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;supporters&lt;/font&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also agree that the indefinite article&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt; a&lt;/font&gt; is needed in&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt; Don't make&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt; a&lt;/font&gt; fool of me&lt;/font&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;(&lt;/font&gt;To make a fool of&lt;/font&gt; is an idiom which means &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;to cause someone or oneself to look foolish or stupid.&lt;/font&gt;&amp;nbsp; ---&lt;i&gt;dictionary.com&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From &lt;i&gt;Understanding Grammar&lt;/i&gt;, by Paul Roberts:&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Indefinite Article&lt;/b&gt;:&amp;nbsp; A term for the indefinite adjectives &lt;i&gt;a &lt;/i&gt;and &lt;i&gt;an&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp; These are weakened forms of the word &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp; In general, the indefinite articles indicate that the nouns they modify are single and unidentified, but usage of the article is highly complex.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Fools&lt;/font&gt; does not get &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;a&lt;/font&gt; because it is plural, and it does not get &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;the &lt;/font&gt;because it does not designate specific fools.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the second sentence, &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;fool &lt;/font&gt;does get &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;a &lt;/font&gt;because it is one fool, and it is not a specific fool.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is a handy guide to the use of &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;a&lt;/font&gt;, &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;an&lt;/font&gt;, &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;the&lt;/font&gt;, or nothing at all at &lt;a href="http://www.davidappleyard.com/english/articles.htm" target="_blank" title="http://www.davidappleyard.com/english/articles.htm"&gt;http://www.davidappleyard.com/english/articles.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: What's the logic behind this?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/LogicBehindOpinions/2/njrx/Post.htm#66484</link><pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:40:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:66484</guid><dc:creator>paco2004</dc:creator><description>Hello MrP&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;So I can only assume that either Dickens got his idiom slightly wrong, or âChild as he wasâ had a simple complementary sense in his day.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I feel your sense that children are not immune to hunger and misery is very modern one. Children of poor social classes in Dickens' times would be put in misery and they were exposed to hunger more intensely than adults. I think "who earns least should eat least" was the rule among poor families in pre-modern societies. Indeed in my childhood I was told this rule quite often by my father. So I take Dickens's &lt;EM&gt;'child as he was'&lt;/EM&gt; as a concessive clause to mean &lt;EM&gt;'though he was a child'&lt;/EM&gt;. I think this would be supported by Dickens' uses of [N as SV] construct in his other novel "Nicholas Nickleby";&lt;br /&gt;"It might have been that Sir Mulberry remembered, that, knave and usurer as he was, he must, in some early time of infancy, have twined his arm about her father's neck." (Dickens; Nicholas Nickleby Chapter 38) &lt;br /&gt;"The waiter was touched. Waiter as he was, he had human passions and feelings, and he looked very hard at Miss Squeers as he handed the muffins." (Dickens; Nicholas Nickleby Chapter 39)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;Also, it occurs to me that âfrontingâ of the noun is common in e.g. early alliterative poetry in Germanic languages. So we would have to go a long way back to find evidence of ellipses. And I suppose you couldn't 'front', if you included the article...and there's nowhere else to put it...&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I tried to look for the origin of this kind of usage in OED but it was a vain work. But as you know well, historically speaking, the English language had not indefinite articles at least at the time of Old English in which people could discriminate singular and plural by the noun's declensional form. So they said the way like "MrP is good man" (MrP iss god mon). Noun declension systems being degenerated, use of "a/an" gradually got popular and the sentence structure had been changed into the one like "MrP is a good man". But still now you would often use a singular countable noun without articles especially when you talk about person's quality or profession. For example: "Ms Condoleezza Rice is more scholar than politician". So I don't think it is curious the noun in [N as SV] constructs does not take an indefinite article. Another reason people disincline to put "a/an" to the noun in [N as SV] constructs might be that "a/an" cannot be stressed so much in narration. I think the construct [N as S V] is used not only as concession but also as to emphasize the fronted word and the word should be stressed. So it would be quite inconvenient for emphasis if the noun is headed by weakly pronounced a or an. This is my humble opinion and it has no firm grounds.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;paco&lt;br /&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>