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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Search results for 'tag:Marriage tag:Clauses' matching tags 'Marriage' and 'Clauses'</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/search/pro.htm?q=tag%3aMarriage+tag%3aClauses&amp;tag=Marriage,Clauses&amp;orTags=0</link><description>Search results for 'tag:Marriage tag:Clauses' matching tags 'Marriage' and 'Clauses'</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>CSMOD (Build: 3170.31378)</generator><item><title>Re: article sentence analyses</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ArticleSentenceAnalyses/gcjpd/post.htm#513811</link><pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 03:15:36 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:513811</guid><dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;I was reading the May 14, 2008 (May (Web-only) article of the ChristianityToday&amp;nbsp;magazine titled &amp;quot;Double Divorce&amp;quot; by Sarah Pulliam and have the following questions.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;A paragraph from the article:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Wheaton&amp;#39;s Community Covenant requires the upholding of &amp;quot;the sanctity of marriage between a man and woman.&amp;quot; The college employee handbook states that the college will consider retaining a divorcing employee &amp;quot;when there is reasonable evidence that the circumstances that led to the final dissolution of the marriage related to desertion or adultery on the part of the other partner.&amp;quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Recopy of the above paragraph:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Wheaton&amp;#39;s Community Covenant requires the upholding of 1)&amp;quot;the sanctity of marriage between a man and woman.&amp;quot; The college employee handbook states that the college will consider retaining a divorcing employee 2)&amp;quot;when there is reasonable evidence that the circumstances that led to the final dissolution of the marriage related to desertion or adultery on the part of the other partner.&amp;quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;1. No 1 seems to be just a lifting of&amp;nbsp; words for a highlighting purpose. I think I have asked in the past about this but didn&amp;#39;t seem to have gotten clear answers. Does a&amp;nbsp;lifting of words or phrases or clauses for a sole purpose of emphasis or an illustration&amp;nbsp;allowed? No quoting of anybody&amp;#39;s words but a writer&amp;#39;s desire to hightlight the&amp;nbsp;words or phrases or clauses.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;I don&amp;#39;t fully understand your question. If you are asking if it is OK to quote words from another source, the answer is that it usually is. Often, the source should be acknowledged. This particular phrase is very commonly used by people who support this aspect of marriage.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;2. No. 2. seems to be a partial lifting or quoting from a source, in this case, it seems to be the college employee handbook. I think the writer could have quoted&amp;nbsp;more but have decided to put quotation marks on that portion only for his purpose. Correct?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt; Yes.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;3. Do you need to italicize what looks to be names of&amp;nbsp;an online magazine, student newspaper and&amp;nbsp;blog&amp;nbsp;in writing? &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;No, you don&amp;#39;t have to use italics. It&amp;#39;s just a matter of choosing a suitable style and using it consistently. Various style guides offer different ways to do this. Colleges often give new students instructions on which style to use.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt; I would say that, before the advent of personal computers, italics weremuch more uncommonly used&amp;nbsp;for this purpose.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;I think I have the name of a newpaper not italicized in writing.&amp;nbsp;Partial sentences from the article:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;..., Gramm told &lt;em&gt;Christinity Today&lt;/em&gt; in an e-mail&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Wheaton&amp;#39;s student newspaper, &lt;em&gt;The Record&lt;/em&gt;, found ...&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;..., Alan Jacobs, wrote in a &lt;em&gt;First Things&lt;/em&gt; blog post that ...&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;4. I have trouble with the phrases like&amp;nbsp;&amp;quot;less of something&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;more of something&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;less a thing&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;more a thing&amp;quot; -- when do we put &amp;quot;of&amp;quot; there and when not??&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt; I&amp;#39; say the simplest approach is just to think of these as standard, set phrases. You can say &amp;#39;less of a need&amp;#39; or &amp;#39;less need&amp;#39;, &amp;#39;more of a need&amp;#39; or &amp;#39;more need&amp;#39;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;From the article:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;&amp;quot;We leave issues like spiritual discipline in the hands of the churches, so there&amp;#39;s less of a need for us to handle these issues,&amp;quot; Calvin spokesman Phil de Haan said.&lt;/font&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best wishes, Clive&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>article sentence analyses</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ArticleSentenceAnalyses/gcjxq/post.htm</link><pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 02:46:50 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:513807</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was reading the May 14, 2008 (May (Web-only) article of the ChristianityToday&amp;nbsp;magazine titled &amp;quot;Double Divorce&amp;quot; by Sarah Pulliam and have the following questions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A paragraph from the article:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wheaton&amp;#39;s Community Covenant requires the upholding of &amp;quot;the sanctity of marriage between a man and woman.&amp;quot; The college employee handbook states that the college will consider retaining a divorcing employee &amp;quot;when there is reasonable evidence that the circumstances that led to the final dissolution of the marriage related to desertion or adultery on the part of the other partner.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Recopy of the above paragraph:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wheaton&amp;#39;s Community Covenant requires the upholding of 1)&amp;quot;the sanctity of marriage between a man and woman.&amp;quot; The college employee handbook states that the college will consider retaining a divorcing employee 2)&amp;quot;when there is reasonable evidence that the circumstances that led to the final dissolution of the marriage related to desertion or adultery on the part of the other partner.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. No 1 seems to be just a lifting of&amp;nbsp; words for a highlighting purpose. I think I have asked in the past about this but didn&amp;#39;t seem to have gotten clear answers. Does a&amp;nbsp;lifting of words or phrases or clauses for a sole purpose of emphasis or an illustration&amp;nbsp;allowed? No quoting of anybody&amp;#39;s words but a writer&amp;#39;s desire to hightlight the&amp;nbsp;words or phrases or clauses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. No. 2. seems to be a partial lifting or quoting from a source, in this case, it seems to be the college employee handbook. I think the writer could have quoted&amp;nbsp;more but have decided to put quotation marks on that portion only for his purpose. Correct?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3. Do you need to italicize what looks to be names of&amp;nbsp;an online magazine, student newspaper and&amp;nbsp;blog&amp;nbsp;in writing? I think I have the name of a newpaper not italicized in writing.&amp;nbsp;Partial sentences from the article:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;..., Gramm told &lt;em&gt;Christinity Today&lt;/em&gt; in an e-mail&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wheaton&amp;#39;s student newspaper, &lt;em&gt;The Record&lt;/em&gt;, found ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;..., Alan Jacobs, wrote in a &lt;em&gt;First Things&lt;/em&gt; blog post that ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4. I have trouble with the phrases like&amp;nbsp;&amp;quot;less of something&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;more of something&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;less a thing&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;more a thing&amp;quot; -- when do we put &amp;quot;of&amp;quot; there and when not??&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From the article:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;We leave issues like spiritual discipline in the hands of the churches, so there&amp;#39;s less of a need for us to handle these issues,&amp;quot; Calvin spokesman Phil de Haan said.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Help proofreading &amp;quot;A Doll's House&amp;quot;</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ProofreadingDollsHouse/zmpbq/post.htm#480929</link><pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 05:53:58 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:480929</guid><dc:creator>Mister Micawber</dc:creator><description>&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I have underlined some problem areas:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;font color="#003366"&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Woman Within the Doll&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;font color="#003366"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;The Baltimore Sun &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span&gt;wrote
that back in 1879, âA Doll&amp;#39;s Houseâ by Henrik Ibsen âshocked and
offended people wherever [it] was played,â and that the dramatist
&lt;u&gt;assured&lt;/u&gt; it was not about a woman, but about âanyone who had to live
according to the rules created by othersâ (Hyder). Society &lt;u&gt;thought to
be&lt;/u&gt; outrageous that a woman would get involved in manly things, for her
role in society was exclusively to care for the family and please her
husband. Women did not enjoy the rights women do now. They were not
taken seriously, and decisions were made by the &lt;u&gt;man who&lt;/u&gt; was and still
is considered the head of the family. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Nora&amp;#39;s choice
to become &lt;u&gt;free, independent&lt;/u&gt; and leave her husband, along with some of
the characters&amp;#39; &lt;u&gt;actions made&lt;/u&gt; this play &lt;u&gt;to be&lt;/u&gt; scandalous for its time.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;font color="#003366"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Ibsen wrote in a letter that the story &lt;u&gt;in&lt;/u&gt; âA Doll&amp;#39;s Houseâ was about a woman who feels:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;font color="#003366"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;quot; Oppressed
and bewildered by belief in authority, she loses her faith in her own
moral right and ability to bring up her&amp;nbsp;children... [She is bittered
because,] like&amp;nbsp;certain insects,&lt;u&gt; (ought to) &lt;/u&gt;go away and die when she has
done her duty towards the continuance of the species... [she shakes]
off of cares, [but then she feels] a sudden return of apprehension and
dread. She must&amp;nbsp;bear it all aloneâ &lt;u&gt;&lt;span&gt;(&lt;/span&gt;Doll)&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;font color="#003366"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Nora had a beautiful&lt;u&gt;
life, she&lt;/u&gt; had a husband, beautiful children, and everything she wanted.
Earlier in her marriage, &lt;u&gt;his&lt;/u&gt; husband suffered &lt;u&gt;of&lt;/u&gt; an illness &lt;u&gt;of&lt;/u&gt; which he
needed to recover somewhere in the south, but this was concealed from
him by the doctor and Nora. Not having the means to afford a trip&lt;u&gt; so
costly and &lt;/u&gt;out of love and desperation, Nora decides to ask for a loan
without letting Tolvard know. She forges her father&amp;#39;s signature to
obtain the loan because she does not want to trouble her father either,
who is very ill &lt;u&gt;himself too&lt;/u&gt;. However, she is responsible and works
secretly from home in order to make the payments. Eventually, Tolvard
&lt;u&gt;finds out about&lt;/u&gt; her secret and feels that his life, happiness and
reputation will be lost once Krogstad, who lent the money, publishes
the &lt;u&gt;then scandalous situation&lt;/u&gt; out of &lt;u&gt;revenged&lt;/u&gt; for &lt;u&gt;having&lt;/u&gt; fired him from
the bank he now manages. He quickly turns against her. That is the
moment when Nora starts to understand things she did not understand
before; she realizes she does not love Tolvard &lt;u&gt;anymore just&lt;/u&gt; as he does
not really love her as she thought&lt;u&gt;, and decides&lt;/u&gt; to leave for good to
discover herself.&lt;font color="#000000"&gt; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;[&lt;i&gt;Too many pronouns-- I don&amp;#39;t know who&amp;#39;s doing what to whom&lt;/i&gt;]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font color="#003366"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; The
&lt;u&gt;scenery&lt;/u&gt; consists of the Helmer&amp;#39;s apartment and nowhere else. The
description of the apartment &lt;u&gt;depicts&lt;/u&gt; the decision that Nora will have
to make. There is a door to the right which leads to the entryway and
another to the left which leads to Helmer&amp;#39;s study. Nora will have to
decide which door to take: freedom or Helmer &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font color="#003366"&gt;&lt;b&gt;[&lt;i&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;Tolvard / Helmer:&amp;nbsp; we don&amp;#39;t know if they are one or two&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/i&gt;]&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font color="#003366"&gt;&lt;b&gt;. The place is not
&lt;u&gt;â&lt;/u&gt;expensively furnished&lt;u&gt;â&lt;/u&gt;, but it is comfortable, just like Nora&amp;#39;s
&lt;u&gt;marriage, she&lt;/u&gt; lives a comfortable life, but there are certain things
she lacks that are more important than riches. No woman could even
consider back in the 1800s doing such &lt;u&gt;a scandalous things&lt;/u&gt; as to leave
not only &lt;u&gt;the&lt;/u&gt; husband, but her children too.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;font color="#003366"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; The main
character in the story is Nora, a seemingly selfish, materialistic
woman who cares a lot about money and in living a good life. This is to
be &lt;u&gt;expected since&lt;/u&gt; her father liked to spend money himself and live a
life he could only could afford with credit. He used to called her his
âdoll-child, &lt;span&gt;and he played with [her] the way [she] played with [her] dollsâ (Ibsen &lt;u&gt;1041&lt;/u&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;.
She was obviously very protected and spoiled by &lt;u&gt;both, her&lt;/u&gt; father and
her husband, who provided anything she needed or wanted. Her father
raised her &lt;u&gt;not think&lt;/u&gt; for herself and just play her role in society.
âWhile [she] was at home with [her] father, he&amp;nbsp;used to tell [her] all
his opinions, and [she] held the same opinions.&amp;nbsp;If [she] had others
[she] said nothing about them, because he wouldn&amp;#39;t&amp;nbsp;have liked itâ
(1041) [&lt;i&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;All the bracketed pronouns are distracting; it would be better to give the exact quotes&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/i&gt;]. This &lt;u&gt;repeated again&lt;/u&gt; as a married woman; she would not express
her opinion to Tolvard, for they never talked seriously, but seemed to
have trusted Dr. Rank better. &lt;u&gt;Norah&lt;/u&gt; was greatly misunderstood. She was
a loving &lt;u&gt;person, she&lt;/u&gt; loved her husband so much that she was willing to
forge her father&amp;#39;s signature &lt;u&gt;to obtain a loan to take her husband south
in order for him to recover from a deadly illness&lt;/u&gt; [&lt;i&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;You said all this before; cut it&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/i&gt;.]. She is willing to do
anything for him. Eventually she&lt;u&gt; realized&lt;/u&gt; she does not have to play the
doll anymore. One can only imagine people&amp;#39;s &lt;u&gt;reaction&lt;/u&gt; throughout the
&lt;u&gt;play&amp;#39;s events&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;font color="#003366"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Tolvard Helmer
&lt;u&gt;seemed&lt;/u&gt; [&lt;i&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;Be consistent in verb tenses&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/i&gt;] to be an ideal husband. He is loving, admirable, honest,
ethical, hard-working and successful, but there seems to be a dark side
&lt;u&gt;of&lt;/u&gt; him. He is a prideful &lt;u&gt;man, he&lt;/u&gt; won&amp;#39;t ask for money&lt;u&gt; to&lt;/u&gt; &lt;u&gt;anyone, to&lt;/u&gt; [&lt;i&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;Commas are not conjunctions.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/i&gt;] do
so would be humiliating. To him, honor and appearances are more
important than family. He does not believe people can change and become
good, as he did not believe Krogstad was a good person although he had
been honest for a long time &lt;u&gt;already&lt;/u&gt;. Also, he is so affectionate &lt;u&gt;that
makes&lt;/u&gt; one wonder &lt;u&gt;of&lt;/u&gt; his sincerity; he calls Nora diminutive names such
as &lt;u&gt;featherbrained, spendthrift&lt;/u&gt; [&lt;i&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;These are not diminutives.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/i&gt;] , a squirrel, a song-bird, lark, strange
little being all the time (994). One cannot think of a woman who would
like being called &lt;u&gt;like that&lt;/u&gt; and who would not be affected emotionally.
Tolvard&amp;#39;s reaction after finding out Nora&amp;#39;s secret is amusing. He had
told Nora that sometimes he wished â[she] was in some terrible danger,
just so [he] could take [his] life and soul and everything, for [her]
sakeâ (1038), yet he quickly turns against &lt;u&gt;her calling&lt;/u&gt; her a wretched
woman, a criminal, unprincipled, untrustworthy of raising her children,
incapable, etc. His hypocrisy is clearly revealed&lt;u&gt; when as &lt;/u&gt;soon as he
realizes that Nora&amp;#39;s mistake won&amp;#39;t affect his &lt;u&gt;reputation he&lt;/u&gt; forgives
her (1039-1949). There&amp;#39;s a saying that &lt;u&gt;goes something like&lt;/u&gt; &lt;i&gt;&lt;span&gt;a good friend is hard to find, specially during difficult times&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;;
Tolvard was &lt;u&gt;nor&lt;/u&gt; a good&lt;u&gt; friend neither&lt;/u&gt; that perfect husband he seemed to
be. He loved to have control of his wife&amp;#39;s life, and his conversations
usually &lt;u&gt;tend to imply&lt;/u&gt; that Nora would be lost without &lt;u&gt;him; that &lt;/u&gt;she
needed his guidance and teaching. Tolvard did not love &lt;u&gt;Nora, &lt;/u&gt;â[he]
thought it fun to be in love with [her]â (1041).&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font color="#003366"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Dr. Rank
is in love with Nora, and that seems to have been the main reason he
visited the Helmer&amp;#39;s house. This character is not essential &lt;u&gt;in&lt;/u&gt; the
play, but it causes outrage when he dares to &lt;u&gt;reveal Nora&lt;/u&gt; his secret.
This is almost vulgar for him to do, and very dishonorable, specially
during those times in which people were very conservative. It is as if
he had taken advantage of the trust the family had in &lt;u&gt;it&lt;/u&gt; and ended up
tarnishing his reputation.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font color="#003366"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Mrs.
Linde is one of Nora&amp;#39;s old friends from school. She gave up her true
love for money, but in the end things did not turn out the way she had
expected. Her husband &lt;u&gt;died leaving&lt;/u&gt; her in a terrible financial
&lt;u&gt;situation making&lt;/u&gt; &lt;i&gt;&lt;font color="#000000"&gt;[On the other hand, commas are essential for separating dependent clauses.]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/i&gt; it necessary for her to work in order to sustain her
mother and brothers. After her mother passed away and her brothers did
not need her &lt;u&gt;help she&lt;/u&gt; left town. Not to have someone to take care of
made her feel âcompletely alone in the worldâ, and it frightened her
âto be so empty and lostâ (1032). She needed âsomeone to take care &lt;u&gt;ofâ,
she&lt;/u&gt; wanted to be a mother and wanted the companionship of a husband. In
the end, she was supposed to have helped Nora hide her secret. She
could have convinced Mr. Krogstad to get the letter back, but she did
not intercede (1033). She might have been envious of&lt;u&gt; Nora, after&lt;/u&gt; all,
Nora had all she was longing &lt;u&gt;for; &lt;/u&gt;a husband, beautiful children, and a
good life.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font color="#003366"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Lastly,
Krogstad is the one who lent Nora money to save her husband, and
threatens&lt;u&gt; her&lt;/u&gt; to tell her husband if she does not convince Tolvard to
let him keep his job at the&lt;u&gt; bank, but&lt;/u&gt; just as Nora did, he once made a
mistake, which caused him to&lt;u&gt; loose&lt;/u&gt; his reputation. He was a man who
seems to have been &lt;u&gt;harden&lt;/u&gt; by life&amp;#39;s difficulties. When he was left by
the woman he dearly &lt;u&gt;loved âit&lt;/u&gt; was as if all the solid ground dissolved
from under [his] feetâ (1031). This might have caused him to become the
âhalf-drownedâ kind of man, as he refers to himself. After finding love
in his&lt;u&gt; life he&lt;/u&gt; turns from&lt;u&gt; the&lt;/u&gt; revengeful person into a forgiving one.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;font color="#003366"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; In
conclusion, Nora &lt;u&gt;realized of &lt;/u&gt;her true value as a human being and as a
woman. She decides to leave everything and &lt;u&gt;everyone,&lt;/u&gt; husband, children,
&lt;u&gt;luxuries to&lt;/u&gt; a journey to liberate herself. To do&lt;u&gt; such thing&lt;/u&gt; was
unthinkable at that time and caused turmoil, but it was the best choice
she could ever make. To leave one&amp;#39;s children is&lt;u&gt; a terrible things&lt;/u&gt; to do
and was not necessary, but looking beyond that, without prejudices, it
is not hard to &lt;u&gt;understands&lt;/u&gt; she is trying to figure out who she really
is and what she believes in. This is essential to one&amp;#39;s happiness;
therefore she is determined to make necessary changes in her life even
if people think&lt;u&gt; bad&lt;/u&gt; of her. It seems that daring to do so back in the
1800s was just as bad as selling drugs or prostituting oneself.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;font color="#003366"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;</description></item><item><title>Re: cheating comes in many forms, not just students cheating on test</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/CheatingComesFormsStudentsCheating-Test/zdzxb/post.htm#434028</link><pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:59:21 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:434028</guid><dc:creator>Grammar Geek</dc:creator><description>&lt;P&gt;Some p&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;eople cheat to get ahead some cheat to lie and others just cheat for the fun of it. Cheating happens everywhere you go &lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #7fffd4"&gt;weather&lt;/FONT&gt; &lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #7fffd4"&gt;its&lt;/FONT&gt; because a student wants a better grade in a class, or a married man or women &lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #7fffd4"&gt;cant&lt;/FONT&gt; resist the sex appeal of another person. Cheating comes in many forms, not just students cheating on a test. &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; A student sometimes would do almost anything for a better grade in a class. &lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #7fffd4"&gt;Weather&lt;/FONT&gt; they get a smarter friend to do &lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #7fffd4"&gt;there&lt;/FONT&gt; homework, or maybe even go online and purchase that essay thatâs due in English class &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffc0cb"&gt;You don't have a main clause here.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;. Some students even go as low as copying off each other, or even breaking into the school and stealing the answer keys. Some kids have a way of thinking that some will never get &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffc0cb"&gt;caught?&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;. I think if we show our children at an early age right from wrong maybe they will study more instead of wasting &lt;STRIKE&gt;the&lt;/STRIKE&gt; time trying to cheat. &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffc0cb" color=#0000ff&gt;C&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;&lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffc0cb"&gt;heating and having an affair&amp;nbsp;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffc0cb"&gt;One thing or two?&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;&lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffc0cb"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/FONT&gt;is probably ranked really high &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffc0cb"&gt;ranked really high is an odd word choice here &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;in the cheating category and is probably happening more then what we know. Cheating when you are married is a big &lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffc0cb"&gt;no&lt;/FONT&gt; but it is still happening all over the world. I think &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;someone who is feeling unloved or unappreciated may begin looking outside their marriage for sources of comfort and get that emotional need. &lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffc0cb"&gt;In your introduction, you said it was not being able to resist sex appeal &lt;/FONT&gt;I once seen in a movie a married man and women having an affair&lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #7fffd4"&gt;, i&lt;/FONT&gt;t seemed to me like they enjoyed the rush that it gave them and getting caught some how turned them on and thatâs what made it so much better for them. &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Cheating happens because of temptation and desire, the student wanting the better letter grade, and the married couple that is not getting the emotional comfort from &lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #7fffd4"&gt;there&lt;/FONT&gt; loved one. Im sure everyone at one time has done some form of cheating &lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #7fffd4"&gt;weathers its&lt;/FONT&gt; accidentally &lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffc0cb" color=#000000&gt;if is accidental, can it be cheating? &lt;/FONT&gt;looking on some one elseâs paper, or lying on your taxes&lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #7fffd4"&gt;, some im sure worse then others &lt;/FONT&gt;. Like I said before&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffc0cb" color=#0000ff&gt;,&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt; teach our children early &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;right from wrong&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;, and all we can do is sit back and hope for the best. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P class=sub&gt;I searched for 'run into troubles' but found 'run into trouble' instead. The following is just one of the extracts.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;Liat,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Fine, if you believe and insist that what you learned is true, I don't want you to change your opinion on my behalf. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I know you searched&amp;nbsp;for "if you run into trouble...".Have you tried others? (when you..../ should you.../ in case you ...?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;My point is, the book's answers don't always explain everything. In this case, "troubles" as in the plural context discussed, is just as valid as it's singular cousin. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;One can have trouble with marriage, job and finance at the same time, so what is wrong with&amp;nbsp; plurals, as in "having troubles"!&lt;/P&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: grammar</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Grammar/2/cdvrp/Post.htm#182952</link><pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:51:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:182952</guid><dc:creator>Hela</dc:creator><description>&lt;DIV id=post_message_589557&gt;&lt;FONT face="Courier New"&gt;Dear friends,&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Concerning subject-verb concord this is what I found in grammar book:&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana&gt;&lt;FONT face=Georgia&gt;"1. In English the verb usually agrees with the subject even if the verb is separated from its subject by &lt;U&gt;prepositional phrases, relative clauses, brackets or commas&lt;/U&gt;:&lt;BR&gt;eg: The petrol station &lt;I&gt;&lt;FONT color=green&gt;across the road from the new shops&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/I&gt; &lt;B&gt;has&lt;/B&gt; just cut its prices.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;2. However, if the verb is &lt;U&gt;a long way from the subject&lt;/U&gt; but is closer to a complement, it is possible to agree the verb with the complement:&lt;BR&gt;eg: The most exciting event was the rowing finals.&lt;BR&gt;The most exciting event &lt;FONT color=green&gt;in the Sydney Olympics for most British viewers&lt;/FONT&gt; &lt;B&gt;was&lt;/B&gt; / &lt;B&gt;were&lt;/B&gt; the rowing finals.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;3. The same can apply after &lt;I&gt;what&lt;/I&gt; used to introduce a relative:&lt;BR&gt;eg: &lt;FONT color=green&gt;&lt;I&gt;What&lt;/I&gt; &lt;/FONT&gt;the Board needs to address now &lt;B&gt;is&lt;/B&gt; / &lt;B&gt;are&lt;/B&gt; the terms of the redundancies."&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;FONT face="Courier New"&gt;But is doesn't say what should one do if 2 or 3 constituents of a same subject are separated by a relative clause, such as in:&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=Georgia&gt;"&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=Georgia&gt;With him &lt;FONT color=#ff6600&gt;were&lt;/FONT&gt; /&lt;FONT color=#ff6600&gt; was&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=Garamond&gt;&lt;FONT face="Courier New"&gt; (&lt;FONT face=Verdana&gt;both possible?&lt;/FONT&gt;) &lt;FONT face=Georgia&gt;&lt;U&gt;his American wife&lt;/U&gt; Fanny, &lt;FONT color=green&gt;whom he had met five years earlier in France&lt;/FONT&gt;, and &lt;U&gt;his stepchildren&lt;/U&gt; from Frannyâs first marriage.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=Georgia&gt;&lt;B&gt;"&lt;/B&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face="Courier New"&gt;What is your view (or should I say "What &lt;B&gt;are&lt;/B&gt; your view&lt;B&gt;s&lt;/B&gt;" since you're many &lt;IMG class=inlineimg title=Confused alt="" src="http://forum.wordreference.com/images/smilies/confused.gif" border=0&gt; ) about it?&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Kind regards,&lt;BR&gt;Hela&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: the structure of sentence</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/TheStructureOfSentence/bhdbc/post.htm#118798</link><pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:33:28 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:118798</guid><dc:creator>Mister Micawber</dc:creator><description>&lt;br&gt;
Relative pronouns 'that/which' and 'who/whom' together with the 'be' verbs of a modifying clause are commonly elided:&lt;br&gt;
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The man [who is] sitting on the floor is drunk.&lt;br&gt;
The man [who was] dead on the slab suddenly sat up.&lt;br&gt;
It was a marriage [that was] made in heaven.&lt;br&gt;
[Being] intent on the match point, I didn't notice the blonde in the front row.&lt;br&gt;
The man [whom] I kicked kicked back.&lt;br&gt;
etc.&lt;br&gt;
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&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: I have vs I have been</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/IHaveVsIHaveBeen/bcjjb/post.htm#96102</link><pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2005 13:36:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:96102</guid><dc:creator>paco2004</dc:creator><description>Hello Roro&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As you know I'm an English learner and I myself am not so confident about between the simple tense and the progressive tense. So please use the following as something like junk food for your thought until native speakers give you more decisive answers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Q.1) &lt;br /&gt;I think you should change the tense of at least the second main clause into the past perfect. The revised version could be either;&lt;br /&gt;  [1]. "We have been married for three years, and had been very happy until I had some trouble with some very nasty loan-sharks about a month ago."&lt;br /&gt;This one obligatorily implies you are still married. The duration you are married is 36 months and that you were happy was 35 months. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  [2]. "We had been married and very happy for three years until I had some trouble with some very nasty loan-sharks about a month ago."&lt;br /&gt;This one does not state anything about whether you are still married or not. What it is saying is only that you got married 37 months ago and you had enjoyed a happy marriage for 36 months before the troble started. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Q. 2) I would rather say ; &lt;br /&gt;   "My husband is sleeping. He has worked for all day long". &lt;br /&gt;To me,  sounds &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Q.3). &lt;br /&gt;   "We have lived in Moscow for three years now."&lt;br /&gt;As  is a stative verb, you don't need to use a present perfect progressive tense  unless you want to emphasize that you will live in Moscow furthermore.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Q 4). &lt;br /&gt;   "We lived in Moscow for three years before."&lt;br /&gt;The word "before" indicates the event finished in the past. So in this case you don't need to use the past perfective sentence. But if you say "We had lived in Moscow for three years &lt;u&gt;before we moved here&lt;/u&gt;", you'd better use .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is my humble thought. Please wait until Ms Khoff or other native speakers come to give you better ansers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;paco&lt;br /&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Articles</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Articles/3/brzrp/Post.htm#84981</link><pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:10:43 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:84981</guid><dc:creator>MrPedantic</dc:creator><description>Hello Hela&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Very good indeed!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think I left the original on another pc, so will fish it out and post it as soon as I can. In the meantime (comments in curly brackets):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;SHOULD I confess that I sometimes looked AT the door with a half-expectant wish to see IT open and give entrance to Mr. Weston, as had happened TWICE before? and [shouldnât âandâ be capitalized ? {It can be; but in more literary texts, you sometimes find a number of questions that make up one sentence divided in this way.}&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;that returning through THE lanes and fields, I often paused to look round me, and walked more slowly than WAS at all necessary--for, THOUGH a fine evening, it was not a hot one--and, finally, felt a sense of emptiness and disappointment at [or as ?]{Yes, 'as'}&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I reached the house without meeting or EVEN catching a distant glimpse of any one, excpt a few labourers returning FROM their work? [interrogative form ?] {Yes, it goes all the way back to 'Should I confess'!}&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sunday, however, WAS approaching: I should see him then: for now that Miss Murray was gone, I could have my old corner again. I WOULD see him, and by look, speech, and manner, I WOULD judge whether the circumstance of her marriage HAD very much afflicted him. Happily I DID {no; you probably need 'could' here}&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;perceive no shadow of a difference: he wore the same aspect as he HAD worn two months ago âvoice, look, manner, all alike unchanged: there WAS the same keen-sighted, unclouded truthfulness in his discourse, the same forcible clearness in his style, the same earnest simplicity in all he SAID and DID (?), {Yes!}&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;that made itself, not marked by the eye and ear, but felt upon the hearts of his audience. [would you please explain that last part ?] {I suppose it means that his words weren't just read or heard ('marked by the eye and ear'); they were 'felt' in people's hearts. }&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I walked home with Miss Matilda; but HE DID NOT JOIN US. Matilda was now sadly at a loss for amusement, and woefully in want of a companion: her brothers AT school, her sister married and gone, she too young to be LET / BROUGHT into society; [why do we have a semi-colon here ?] {Probably 'brought'. The semi-colon gives a sense of a string of ruminations. It's a pause for effect.}&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;for which, from Rosalie's example, she was in some degree beginning TO acquire A taste --a taste at least FOR THE company of certain classes of gentlemen; [why do we have a semi-colon here ?] {Ditto!}&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;at this dull time of year-- no hunting going on, no shooting even --for, AS she COULD not join in that, it was SOMETHING to see her father or the gamekeeper go out with the dogs, and to talk TO them on their return, about the different birds they HAD bagged. Now, also, she was denied the solace THAT the companionship of the coachman, grooms, horses, greyhounds, and pointers COULD / MIGHT HAVE afforded;{Yes, either}&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; for her mother having, notwithstanding the disadvantages of a country life, so satisfactorily disposed of her elder daughter, the pride of her heart [do we need a comma here ?] {No; 'the pride of her heart' is the subject of the clause}&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;HAD begun seriously to turn her attention to the younger; and, BEING truly alarmed BY the roughness of her manners, and thinking it high time to work a reform, SHE HAD {possibly 'was'}&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; roused at length to exert her authority, and prohibited entirely the yards, stables, kennels, and coach-house. OF course, she was not implicitly obeyed; but, indulgent AS she had hitherto been, when once her spirit was roused, her temper was not AS / SO gentle AS she required that of her governesses to be, and her will was NOT to be thwarted with impunity. After many a scene of contention BETWEEN mother and daughter, many a violent outbreak THAT I was ashamed to witness, in which the father's authority WAS often called in to confirm with oaths and threats the mother's slighted prohibitions --for even HE COULD see that 'Tilly, though she WOULD have made a fine lad, was not quite what a young lady HAD to be' {possibly 'ought'}&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-- Matilda at length found that her easiest plan was to keep clear of the forbidden regions; unless she WOULD* (??) now and then steal A visit without her watchful mother's knowledge. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That was quite a difficult one. Except where I've stated otherwise, your version makes complete sense. When I post the original, I'll mark where it differs from yours.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See you,&lt;br /&gt;MrP</description></item><item><title>Re: As if it happened yesterday</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/AsIfItHappenedYesterday/xkrn/post.htm#71685</link><pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:58:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:71685</guid><dc:creator>just the truth</dc:creator><description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;Why can "happened" be used? Didn't it happen before "remember"? According to the rules, we should use "had happened". But "happened" does exist. Can you explain it more clearly, Mr Just the Truth?&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;JT: Sorry for the delay, Qingqing. {how do you say your name? I know a little Chinese girl named QinQin and her name is pronounced "chinchin".}&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This has nothing to do with the use of the past perfect to discuss REAL events wherein we "&lt;EM&gt;go back&lt;/EM&gt; when we are already talking about the past". These two clauses are unconnected in the sense that one expresses a counterfactual and the other expresses something completely real.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Remembering something is a real event. The counterfactual idiomatic expression is used simply to make a comparison to something that illustrates that it's EXTREMELY easy to remember. This is often used to state that something from long ago is fresh in 'my' memory.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By making this comparison, the speaker says a long ago event is as clear as if it happened yesterday.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not all uses of the past perfect are as the rule suggests. Michael Swan, in "Practical English Usage" says of the past perfect; "A common use is to go back when we are already talking about the past". It isn't the only use.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here we see that it has nothing to do with that rule because there can be no going back to an unreal/completely hypothetical situation. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But, nevertheless, we find that both of your example sentences are in common use, both are possible, both are grammatical.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What's the difference between the following two sentences? &lt;br /&gt;I remember the whole thing as if it happened yesterday. &lt;br /&gt;I remember the whole thing as if it had happened yesterday.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;, like  can add emphasis to simple past tense FORM statement like this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We had hardly reached the confines of our bedroom, aaaactually we hadn't even reached the front door, before, ... well, truth be told we had not even reached the porch before we had torn each others clothes off, and had there fallen and finally our love, lust and marriage had all been consummated in one great explosion of exhilarating fire.</description></item></channel></rss>