Search results for 'tag:Nominative tag:Accusative' matching tags 'Nominative' and 'Accusative'

Re: Whomever vs. whoever

Huevos — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:35:55 GMT

Anonymous
Adobe have launched their new text editor Buzzword. Their Welcome to Buzzword document includes the sentence "The owner can share the document with whomever she wishes." A pity they didn't read this forum.

And what's 'she' doing in this sentence?

That sentence is fine. "She" is the subject of the subordinate clause. The antecedent of "she" is "the owner". Also it's obvious whom is correct because it follows a preposition (always accusative, never nominative).

Re: Toff's error

Huevos — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:22:13 GMT

It's using a nominative pronoun where an accusative is required. A few decades ago it started to become fashionable to have children attend school without actually teaching them anything. The teachers corrected them, "Sarah and I", not "Sarah and me" without actually teaching them when or why "Sarah and me" was wrong. I lot of students assumed "Sarah and me" was always wrong and so always avoided it in an attempt to speak "better".

Re: If I were ...

Tanit — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:32:42 GMT

Thank you all.

Yoong Liat
I was taught that he | she | they should be used.
I believe nowadays, him | her | them are more commonly used.

YL, I already knew this. That's why I wrote in my first post "the accusative form seems to be used more, but some insist that the nominative one is preferable.".

So, Philip and Avangi favour the nominative, and CJ the accusative. I see there's no agreement even here, which makes me feel better.
Whichever I choose, I'll find somebody who supports my usage.

PS CJ, I missed that post of yours! Thanks for the link.

Re: If I were ...

Avangi — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:43:34 GMT

Hi Tanit, Huevos recently made an impassioned plea for the accusative on a thread, "Nominative and Objective Pronouns - - - - - - Confusing!" Did you miss it? - A.

Edit. Ah, I see you're referring only to the third person. Sorry. To my ear, there's no difference between first and third. I'm one of those relics who is still more comfortable using the nominative case in nominative situations.

If I were ...

Tanit — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:59:22 GMT

Hi,

I'm fine with these: If I were you ..., If I were my sister ..., If I were John ...

But how about "he", "she", "they"? Would you recommend that I use the nominative case
If I were [he | she | they ], I would ...
or the accusative one?
If I were [him | her | them ], I would ...

I have obviously done some research, but couldn't come up with any definite answer: the accusative form seems to be used more, but some insist that the nominative one is preferable.

Which would you use and why?

Thank you!

Re: nominative and objective pronouns.......confusing!

Huevos — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:58:34 GMT

Avangi
What might the implied verb be?

Avangi, I don't want to get into that with this sentence. For the reason why, read my point to Raen below. "Like" is a preposition so follows that rule.

But to give you an idea what I mean about implied verb...

She is taller than me.
She is taller than I am.

Some people say "She is taller than I" but my recommendation is to leave that construction for the pretentious and supercilious, (maybe I'm just too much of an Alfred P. Doolittle to use it).

Raen
So it's always "between you and me" no matter where this expression sits in a sentence?

"Between" is a preposition. Pronouns that follow prepositions are always in the accusative case, not nominative. It's a rule, not a matter of opinion. Here are some examples that wrongly use the nominative.

He wrote a book about she.

The girl passed between he and I.

The bullet passed through he.

The waiter spilt orange juice on she.

Everyone caught the train except I.

Their father ordered the meal for they.

I or me?

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:23:14 GMT

Having a dispute with a poster on another forum. He posted:

"To be fair, literally is misused by a lot of people, the media included. Very few people would say figuratively, unlike you or I..."

I think he should have used "me" at the end of that sentence but his argument is:

"I is the nominative form. Me is the accusative and dative. You love me, e.g. But I want, you and I play, this is from me, etc. (Although there are some poetic forms, such as "It isI who you love", etc)

In essence, the sentence is "Very few people would say "figuratively", unlike you or I (, who would say "figuratively")." The missing part in brackets which is alluded to.

You couldn't use me in this context."

Is he right?

Thanks.

Re: 2 Questions ...

Feebs11 — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:49:23 GMT

It is not clear what you are expressing in these sentences.

If you do something to someone, you need the accusative = her

I saw her yesterday

I wrote to her last week

I made her ill by giving her bad fish to eat

If someone does something, you need the nominative: she

She wrote to me last week.

She saw me today

She is ill because I gave her bad fish to eat

Re: corpus/corpora - ethymology

Tanit — Tue, 13 May 2008 18:20:44 GMT

Hi,

The short answer would be: such question are dangerous, try and learn them by heart!
The long answer is: in Latin, they have different inflected forms because they belong to two different "classes": 2nd declension and 3rd declension:

Fungus (same inflected forms in "cactus"): 2nd declension
    Nominative: (singular) fungus => (plural) fungi
    Genitive: (singular) fungi => (plural) fungorum
    Dative: (singular) fungo => (plural) fungis
    Accusative: (singular) fungum => (plural) fungos
    Vocative: (singular) funge => (plural) fungi
    Ablative: (singular) fungo => (plural) fungis

Corpus : 3rd declension
    Nominative: (singular) corpus => (plural) corpora
    Genitive: (singular) corporis => (plural) corporum
    Dative: (singular) corpori => (plural) corporibus
    Accusative: (singular) corpus => (plural) corpora
    Vocative: (singular) corpus => (plural) corpora
    Ablative: (singular) corpore => (plural) corporibus

Now, have a look at the nominative case:
fungus >> fungi
cactus >> cacti
corpus >> corpora

Re: About the meaning of "where"

Anonymous — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:30:49 GMT

Anonymous
In slavic languages and Esperanto location (Ð³Ð´Ðµ = where) is a nominative case, destination (ÐºÑÐ´Ð°=whither) is an accusative case.

Oh, I did a mistake here. Surely it is prepositional caseÂ ratherÂ thanÂ nominative in slavic languages, or most of them.