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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Search results for 'tag:Nouns tag:Articles' matching tags 'Nouns' and 'Articles'</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/search/pro.htm?q=tag%3aNouns+tag%3aArticles</link><description>Search results for 'tag:Nouns tag:Articles' matching tags 'Nouns' and 'Articles'</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>CSMOD (Build: 3256.36449)</generator><item><title>Re: A ,an, and the usage</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/AAnAndTheUsage/hdbwz/post.htm#599816</link><pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:40:08 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:599816</guid><dc:creator>Mister Micawber</dc:creator><description>.&lt;br /&gt;It is possible if &amp;#39;Telecom&amp;#39; is the name of the company -- &amp;#39;&lt;em&gt;I started working at &lt;strong&gt;Telecom Company&lt;/strong&gt;, Ltd&lt;/em&gt; -- but more likely the article is just unstressed and difficult to perceive.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;A&lt;/em&gt; or&lt;em&gt; an&lt;/em&gt; is used before all singular countable nouns except those preceded by demonstrative adjectives (&lt;em&gt;this, that&lt;/em&gt;) and possessive adjectives (&lt;em&gt;his, my&lt;/em&gt;, etc.)&lt;br /&gt;.</description></item><item><title>Re: June is suffering from darkness phobia.</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/JuneSufferingDarknessPhobia/hcjxn/post.htm#597325</link><pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:30:31 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:597325</guid><dc:creator>AlpheccaStars</dc:creator><description>Definitely #3 is correct. Names of medical conditions or common ailments are used without an article. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have not seen phobia used with a preceding descriptive noun. The actual name is used, or &amp;quot;fear of&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;June is suffering from lygophobia. (the name of this phobia.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;June is suffering from an abnormal fear of darkness.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;</description></item><item><title>Re: Down</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Down/hcdgh/post.htm#595449</link><pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:08:09 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:595449</guid><dc:creator>Mister Micawber</dc:creator><description>.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&amp;nbsp;To vast a question, d_say-- and the sentences are already in English!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;DOWN:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;âadverb &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;1.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;from higher to lower; in descending direction or order; toward, into, or in a lower position: &lt;span&gt;to come down the ladder. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;2.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;on or to the ground, floor, or bottom: &lt;span&gt;He fell down. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;3.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;to or in a sitting or lying position.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;4.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;to or in a position, area, or district considered lower, esp. from a geographical or cartographic standpoint, as to the south, a business district, etc.: &lt;span&gt;We drove from San Francisco down to Los Angeles. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;5.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;to or at a lower value or rate.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;6.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;to a lesser pitch or volume: &lt;span&gt;Turn down the radio. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;7.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;in or to a calmer, less active, or less prominent state: &lt;span&gt;The wind died down. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;8.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;from an earlier to a later time: &lt;span&gt;from the 17th century down to the present. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;9.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;from a greater to a lesser strength, amount, etc.: &lt;span&gt;to water down liquor. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;10.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;in an attitude of earnest application: &lt;span&gt;to get down to work. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;11.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;on paper or in a book: &lt;span&gt;Write down the address. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;12.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;in cash at the time of purchase; at once: &lt;span&gt;We paid $50 down and $20 a month. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;13.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;to the point of defeat, submission, inactivity, etc.: &lt;span&gt;They shouted down the opposition. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;14.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;in or into a fixed or supine position: &lt;span&gt;They tied down the struggling animal. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;15.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;to the source or actual position: &lt;span&gt;The dogs tracked down the bear. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;16.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;into a condition of ill health: &lt;span&gt;He&amp;#39;s come down with a cold. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;17.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;in or into a lower status or condition: &lt;span&gt;kept down by lack of education. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;18.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Nautical&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;toward the lee side, so as to turn a vessel to windward: &lt;span&gt;Put the helm down! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;19.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Slang&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;on toast (as used in ordering a sandwich at a lunch counter or restaurant): &lt;span&gt;Give me a tuna down. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;span&gt;âpreposition &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;20.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;in a descending or more remote direction or place on, over, or along: &lt;span&gt;They ran off down the street. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;span&gt;âadjective &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;21.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;downward; going or directed downward: &lt;span&gt;the down escalator. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;22.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;being at a low position or on the ground, floor, or bottom.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;23.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;toward the south, a business district, etc.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;24.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;associated with or serving traffic, transportation, or the like, directed toward the south, a business district, etc.: &lt;span&gt;the down platform. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;25.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;downcast; depressed; dejected: &lt;span&gt;You seem very down today. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;26.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;ailing, esp., sick and bedridden: &lt;span&gt;He&amp;#39;s been down with a bad cold. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;27.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;being the portion of the full price, as of an article bought on the installment plan, that is paid at the time of purchase or delivery: &lt;span&gt;a payment of $200 down. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;28.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Football&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;(of the ball) not in play.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;29.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;behind an opponent or opponents in points, games, etc.: &lt;span&gt;The team won the pennant despite having been down three games in the final week of play. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;30.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Baseball&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=out&amp;amp;db=luna"&gt;out.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;31.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;losing or having lost the amount indicated, esp. at gambling: &lt;span&gt;After an hour at poker, he was down $10. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;32.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;having placed one&amp;#39;s bet: &lt;span&gt;Are you down for the fourth race? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;33.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;finished, done, considered, or taken care of: &lt;span&gt;five down and one to go. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;34.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;out of order: &lt;span&gt;The computer has been down all day. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;span&gt;ânoun &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;35.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;a downward movement; descent.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;36.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;a turn for the worse; reverse: &lt;span&gt;The business cycle experienced a sudden down. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;37.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Football&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;a.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;one of a series of four plays during which a team must advance the ball at least 10 yd. (9 m) to keep possession of it.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;b.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;the declaring of the ball as down or out of play, or the play immediately preceding this.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;38.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Slang&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;an order of toast at a lunch counter or restaurant.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;39.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Slang&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=downer&amp;amp;db=luna"&gt;downer&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;(&lt;/span&gt;defs. 1a, b&lt;span&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;span&gt;âverb (used with object) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;40.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;to put, knock, or throw down; subdue: &lt;span&gt;He downed his opponent in the third round. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;41.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;to drink down, esp. quickly or in one gulp: &lt;span&gt;to down a tankard of ale. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;42.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Informal&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;to defeat in a game or contest: &lt;span&gt;The Mets downed the Dodgers in today&amp;#39;s game. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;43.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;to cause to fall from a height, esp. by shooting: &lt;span&gt;Antiaircraft guns downed ten bombers. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;span&gt;âverb (used without object) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;44.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;to go down; fall.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;span&gt;âinterjection &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;45.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;(used as a command to a dog to stop attacking, to stop jumping on someone, to get off a couch or chair, etc.): &lt;span&gt;Down, Rover! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;46.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;(used as a command or warning to duck, take cover, or the like): &lt;span&gt;Down! They&amp;#39;re starting to shoot! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;span&gt;âIdioms&lt;/span&gt;&lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;47.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;&lt;span&gt;down and out, &lt;/span&gt;down-and-out.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;48.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;&lt;span&gt;down cold &lt;span&gt;or&lt;/span&gt; pat, &lt;/span&gt;mastered or learned perfectly: &lt;span&gt;Another hour of studying and I&amp;#39;ll have the math lesson down cold. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;49.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;&lt;span&gt;down in the mouth, &lt;/span&gt;discouraged; depressed; sad.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;50.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;&lt;span&gt;down on, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Informal&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;hostile or averse to: &lt;span&gt;Why are you so down on sports? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;51.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;&lt;span&gt;down with! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;a.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;away with! cease!: &lt;span&gt;Down with tyranny! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;table&gt; &lt;tr&gt; &lt;td&gt;b.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;on or toward the ground or into a lower position: &lt;span&gt;Down with your rifles! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: when we use "the"</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhenWeUseThe/hbchn/post.htm#590270</link><pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:18:22 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:590270</guid><dc:creator>Cool Breeze</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;There isn&amp;#39;t always a reason why &lt;em&gt;the&lt;/em&gt; is used before certain words. According to Wikipedia, the country used to be referred to as &lt;em&gt;the Ukraine&lt;/em&gt; but the article is nowadays often dropped in diplomacy and journalism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Names of countries in the &lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;plural &lt;/font&gt;take the article: &lt;em&gt;the United State&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;s&lt;/font&gt;, the Philippine&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;s&lt;/font&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The&lt;/em&gt; is also used if there is a &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;common noun&lt;/font&gt; in the name: &lt;em&gt;the United &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Kingdom,&lt;/font&gt; the Soviet &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Union&lt;/font&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;CB&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: read</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Read/hbrgq/post.htm#589678</link><pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:03:58 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:589678</guid><dc:creator>AlpheccaStars</dc:creator><description>&amp;nbsp;B is correct&amp;nbsp; An article is required, since book is a count noun.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The article can be definite (the) or indefinite (a).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I would like to read a book that he read.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I would like to read the book that he read.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: One of many problems faced by English learners is their own misconceptions.</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ProblemsFacedEnglishLearners-Misconceptions/hrxcw/post.htm#588735</link><pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:57:01 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:588735</guid><dc:creator>AlpheccaStars</dc:creator><description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Jackson6612&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Avangi&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;either &amp;quot;learners of &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;the&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; English language,&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;English language learners.&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why is article &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; essential here? There is only one English language. e.g. I&amp;#39;m learning Chinese language these days. Is there any need to specify &lt;i&gt;Chinese language&lt;/i&gt; using &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt;? The use of &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; is justified in sentences as in &amp;#39;&amp;#39;I&amp;#39;m learning the Southern American English dialect nowadays&lt;i&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Avangi, Jackson:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The rule is that articles (definite, indefinite) are omitted in the case of mass nouns (non-count), and required for count nouns.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Language&amp;quot; is a count noun. Thus,&amp;nbsp; I can say: I speak &lt;b&gt;two &lt;/b&gt;language&lt;b&gt;s&lt;/b&gt; - Spanish and Greek. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I am studying the language of the tribal peoples of Tanzania.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When English, Chinese, Polish, Russian,&amp;nbsp; etc. are adjectives modifying &amp;quot;language&amp;quot;, you say: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I am studying &lt;u&gt;the &lt;/u&gt;Russian language. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In contrast, English (as well as Polish, Russian, Chinese) is a mass (non-count ) noun. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So then you can omit the definite article (the):&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I am studying English, Chinese and Russian.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I am a native speaker of English.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are exceptions: Fowler wrote a book on grammar titled: The King&amp;#39;s English &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But this is distinguishing the King&amp;#39;s English from other Englishes (American, the Queen&amp;#39;s, Old English, Middle English etc.) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;</description></item><item><title>Re: One of many problems faced by English learners is their own misconceptions.</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ProblemsFacedEnglishLearners-Misconceptions/hrnpz/post.htm#588664</link><pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:27:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:588664</guid><dc:creator>Avangi</dc:creator><description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Jackson6612&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Avangi&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;either &amp;quot;learners of &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;the&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; English language,&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;English language learners.&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; Why is article &lt;em&gt;the&lt;/em&gt; essential here? There is only one English language. e.g. I&amp;#39;m learning Chinese language these days. Is there any need to specify &lt;em&gt;Chinese language&lt;/em&gt; using &lt;em&gt;the&lt;/em&gt;? The use of &lt;em&gt;the&lt;/em&gt; is justified in sentences as in &amp;#39;&amp;#39;I&amp;#39;m learning the Southern American English dialect nowadays&lt;em&gt;.&lt;/em&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#00bfbf;"&gt;The article is required in all of these.&amp;nbsp; I honestly have no idea why.&amp;nbsp; My guess is that &amp;quot;language&amp;quot; is the object of the verb &amp;quot;to learn,&amp;quot; and would require an article if it were used without &amp;quot;English&amp;quot; as a modifier.&amp;nbsp; To qualify for standing without the article, a &amp;quot;subject of study&amp;quot; must be one of a few very well-established courses.&amp;nbsp; &amp;quot;I&amp;#39;m majoring in Romance Languages at university.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; Here,&amp;nbsp;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;Romance Languages&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt; is the recognized name of a well-established course of study, as is &lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;Chinese&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;.&amp;nbsp; In the case of a dialect, the indefinite article would be used if there were more than one. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Avangi&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;&amp;lt;&lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;One&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp; - - is their own &lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;misconceptions&lt;/span&gt;.&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;nbsp; IMO there should be number agreement here.&amp;nbsp; Possibly,&amp;nbsp; &amp;quot;&lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;One&lt;/span&gt; - - - is &lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;dealing&lt;/span&gt; with their own misconceptions.&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; Yes, there should be number agreement between verb and object. If I followed your suggestion then the sentence would read: One of many problems faced by learners of the English language is &lt;strong&gt;that they are dealing with their&lt;/strong&gt; own misconceptions. Is that what you suggested?&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#00bfbf;"&gt;That would be fine.&amp;nbsp; I was considering &amp;quot;&lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;that they are&lt;/span&gt;&amp;quot; to be optional, as the gerund &amp;quot;dealing&amp;quot; may serve by itself as predicate nominative following the &lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;being verb&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &amp;quot;is.&amp;quot; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Avangi&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is about &amp;quot;learners.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; You refer back five times with &amp;quot;they.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; At some point you might remind the reader who &amp;quot;they&amp;quot; are.&amp;nbsp; Eg, &amp;quot;these learners,&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; &amp;quot;the students,&amp;quot; something else of your &lt;strong&gt;choosing&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; Is&lt;/em&gt; choosing&amp;#39;&amp;#39; used as a present participle in the above context? &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#00bfbf;"&gt;I&amp;#39;d say functionally it&amp;#39;s a gerund, serving as object of the preposition &amp;quot;of.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; The other option, &amp;quot;choice,&amp;quot; would of course be a noun. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Avangi&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;&amp;lt;During the learning process, they should stop taking the machinery of their native tongue for granted.&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;nbsp; As the final sentence of the first paragraph, this seems enigmatic. It&amp;#39;s very well phrased, but the meaning is less than obvious (to me.)&amp;nbsp; I feel like I want an additional&amp;nbsp;sentence by way of &lt;strong&gt;(=as means of, as a type of)&lt;/strong&gt; explanation, or clarification.&amp;nbsp; &lt;strong&gt;Optionally, you could make your &amp;quot;machinery&amp;quot; image a little easier to connect up.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; How can I make the &lt;em&gt;machinery&lt;/em&gt; image a little easier to connect up?&amp;nbsp; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#00bfbf;"&gt;How did I know you were going to ask me that danged question??&amp;nbsp; &lt;em&gt;During the learning process they should remind themselves that the machinery of their native tongue was a long time in [the] building and fine-tuning, and they must be willing to devote an equal effort to the new language.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/em&gt; (I&amp;#39;m not sure I have your intention right.) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Avangi&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In the second paragraph, at first blush &lt;strong&gt;(=when first thought of or considered)&lt;/strong&gt; the antecedent &lt;strong&gt;(=a word or phrase which a pronoun refers back to)&lt;/strong&gt; of &amp;quot;They&amp;quot; would seem to be &amp;quot;English speakers.&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; Yes, you are right. I will be more careful about such constructions in future. &lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Avangi&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Have you verified that &amp;quot;idiomaticness&amp;quot; is a word?&amp;nbsp; Or is it a &amp;quot;nonce &lt;strong&gt;(=occurring, used, or made only once or for a special occasion)&lt;/strong&gt; word&amp;quot;?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; It is a proper word according to the Merriam-Webster&amp;#39;s dictionary. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&amp;nbsp; Congratulations on your hard work.&amp;nbsp; - A.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Edit.&amp;nbsp; &amp;quot;Why is &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;the&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; article &amp;quot;the&amp;quot; essential here?&amp;quot;</description></item><item><title>Re: One of many problems faced by English learners is their own misconceptions.</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ProblemsFacedEnglishLearners-Misconceptions/hrnxc/post.htm#588644</link><pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:13:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:588644</guid><dc:creator>Jackson6612</dc:creator><description>Hi Avangi,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Avangi&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;either &amp;quot;learners of &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;the&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; English language,&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;English language learners.&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why is article &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; essential here? There is only one English language. e.g. I&amp;#39;m learning Chinese language these days. Is there any need to specify &lt;i&gt;Chinese language&lt;/i&gt; using &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt;? The use of &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; is justified in sentences as in &amp;#39;&amp;#39;I&amp;#39;m learning the Southern American English dialect nowadays&lt;i&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Avangi&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;&amp;lt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;One&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp; - - is their own &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;misconceptions&lt;/span&gt;.&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;nbsp; IMO there should be number agreement here.&amp;nbsp; Possibly,&amp;nbsp; &amp;quot;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;One&lt;/span&gt; - - - is &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;dealing&lt;/span&gt; with their own misconceptions.&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, there should be number agreement between verb and object. If I followed your suggestion then the sentence would read: One of many problems faced by learners of the English language is &lt;strong&gt;that they are dealing with their&lt;/strong&gt; own misconceptions. Is that what you suggested?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Avangi&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is about &amp;quot;learners.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; You refer back five times with &amp;quot;they.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; At some point you might remind the reader who &amp;quot;they&amp;quot; are.&amp;nbsp; Eg, &amp;quot;these learners,&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; &amp;quot;the students,&amp;quot; something else of your &lt;strong&gt;choosing&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is &lt;/i&gt;choosing&amp;#39;&amp;#39; used as a present participle in the above context?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Avangi&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;&amp;lt;During the learning process, they should stop taking the machinery of their native tongue for granted.&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;nbsp; As the final sentence of the first paragraph, this seems enigmatic. It&amp;#39;s very well phrased, but the meaning is less than obvious (to me.)&amp;nbsp; I feel like I want an additional&amp;nbsp;sentence by way of &lt;strong&gt;(=as means of, as a type of)&lt;/strong&gt; explanation, or clarification.&amp;nbsp; &lt;strong&gt;Optionally, you could make your &amp;quot;machinery&amp;quot; image a little easier to connect up.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How can I make the &lt;i&gt;machinery&lt;/i&gt; image a little easier to connect up?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Avangi&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In the second paragraph, at first blush &lt;strong&gt;(=when first thought of or considered)&lt;/strong&gt; the antecedent &lt;strong&gt;(=a word or phrase which a pronoun refers back to)&lt;/strong&gt; of &amp;quot;They&amp;quot; would seem to be &amp;quot;English speakers.&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, you are right. I will be more careful about such constructions in future.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Avangi&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Have you verified that &amp;quot;idiomaticness&amp;quot; is a word?&amp;nbsp; Or is it a &amp;quot;nonce &lt;strong&gt;(=occurring, used, or made only once or for a special occasion)&lt;/strong&gt; word&amp;quot;?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is a proper word according to the Merriam-Webster&amp;#39;s dictionary.</description></item><item><title>Re: Pronoun Case. Please Help.</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/PronounCasePleaseHelp/hrmnd/post.htm#588339</link><pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:15:10 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:588339</guid><dc:creator>AlpheccaStars</dc:creator><description>I have always heard in conversation -&lt;span&gt; that must be &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;him &lt;/span&gt;/ &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;her &lt;/span&gt;on the phone.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Of course we say:He is on the phone now.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Grammatically,&amp;nbsp; &amp;quot;that must be him&amp;quot; it is not strictly correct, since the case of a pronoun after &amp;quot;be&amp;quot; is nominative. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;However, in this case (must be ***), we make an exception to this rule in all but very formal writing&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here is some insight from the site: &lt;a href="http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/cases.htm"&gt;http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/cases.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;nbsp;In formal or academic text, we need the nominative or subject form of the pronoun after a linking verb: &amp;quot;It was he who represented the United Nations during the 1960s,&amp;quot; &amp;quot;&lt;b&gt;That must be she on the dock over there.&lt;/b&gt;&amp;quot; In casual speech and writing, however, that sounds awfully stuffy. Imagine the detective who&amp;#39;s been looking for the victim&amp;#39;s body for days. He jimmies open the trunk of an abandoned car and exclaims, &amp;quot;It&amp;#39;s she!&amp;quot; No self-respecting detective since Sherlock Holmes would say such a thing.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Eddie88&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;However, this raises another problem for me. When there is a preposition, the pronoun is meant to be in the objective case. Is this only true when the preposition PRECEEDS the pronoun? Because in this case, ON follows the pronoun, so I wasn&amp;#39;t sure if the rule applied.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The preposition always precedes its object, except when the preposition is at the end of a sentence or clause: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Example:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;man &lt;/span&gt;we bought the gift for is on the train now.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Example: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;In the sentence, &amp;quot;that must be him on the phone&amp;quot;, &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;phone &lt;/span&gt;is the object of the proposition &amp;quot;on&amp;quot;. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;In the sentence, &amp;quot;The elephant sat on him.&amp;quot;, &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;him&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; is the object of the proposition &amp;quot;on&amp;quot;.  .&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Eddie88&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;2)&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Could you please tell me the rules for the usage of &lt;b&gt;were&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;was?&lt;/b&gt; For example, in line&amp;nbsp;4 of this writing piece is it &amp;#39;if I were to say...&amp;#39; or &amp;#39;if I was to say... &amp;#39; WHY?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The above is the subjunctive mood. Example:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If I &lt;u&gt;were &lt;/u&gt;rich, I would not be living in this dump. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If I &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;were &lt;/span&gt;you, I would not put any money on that nag. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Eddie88&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;3)&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;Finally, in academic prose one is not to use the word &lt;b&gt;that&lt;/b&gt; too often, if at all. Once again in line 4, the word &lt;b&gt;that&lt;/b&gt; is used here. It sounds correct to use &lt;b&gt;that&lt;/b&gt; rather than &lt;b&gt;which&lt;/b&gt;. Should I use which to be more formal, even though it sounds weird?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;That&amp;quot; is an essential word in English and is used in formal and informal writing. Choosing which word to use is a tricky subject, and the link below has good guidance. It goes into the details on restrictive and non-restrictive clauses and when this rule is likely to be violated.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Restrictive clauses are introduced by that and are not separated from the rest of the sentence by commas.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Non-restrictive clauses are introduced by which and must be separated by commas from the rest of the sentence to indicate parenthesis. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/which.htm"&gt;http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/which.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;</description></item><item><title>Re: Pronoun question</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/PronounQuestion/hrkvj/post.htm#587614</link><pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:42:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:587614</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Eddie88&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;What I was meaning with the preposition and objective case query, is that I want to know if&amp;nbsp;the pronoun&amp;nbsp;is still the objective case if it comes &lt;b&gt;before &lt;/b&gt;the preposition. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; No.&amp;nbsp; A preposition governs case only in one direction.&amp;nbsp; The preposition cannot govern a word that comes before it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;_____&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;One exception is the fronted pronoun &lt;i&gt;whom&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; As I mentioned in a previous post, you can have &lt;i&gt;whom&lt;/i&gt; in a question or in a relative clause.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;[For whom&lt;/u&gt; are you waiting]?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;The man &lt;u&gt;[for whom&lt;/u&gt; I am waiting] is the head of the finance department.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But you can put &lt;i&gt;whom&lt;/i&gt; at the beginning and the preposition at the end of the structure, like this:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;[Whom are you waiting for]?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;The man [whom I am waiting for] is the head of the finance department.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In these cases, the pronoun &lt;i&gt;whom&lt;/i&gt; is governed by the preposition that comes at the end of the structure.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;____&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But be careful with phrasal verbs.&amp;nbsp; They have an adverbial particle that sometimes looks like a preposition, and they often have a pronoun in the objective case that comes between the verb and the particle, so it looks like there&amp;#39;s a preposition governing a pronoun before it.&amp;nbsp; This is an illusion; it&amp;#39;s the verb that is governing the case of its object.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Lucy found two stray kittens and decided to &lt;u&gt;take&lt;/u&gt; &lt;u&gt;them&lt;/u&gt; in.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;CJ&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;</description></item></channel></rss>