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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://www.englishforums.com/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Search results for 'tag:Past Perfect' matching tag 'Past Perfect'</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/search/pro.htm?q=tag%3aPast+Perfect</link><description>Search results for 'tag:Past Perfect' matching tag 'Past Perfect'</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>XMOD (Build: 3616.28671)</generator><item><title>Re: Have went vs have gone</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/HaveWentVsHaveGone/2/dqggj/Post.htm#997425</link><pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:21:47 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:997425</guid><dc:creator>clive</dc:creator><description>Hi, 
 *I HAVE GONE is &amp;quot; Present Past  Perfect Tense&amp;quot; 
  
 &amp;#39;I had gone&amp;#39; is Past Perfect. 
  
 Clive</description></item><item><title>Re: Past tense and past perfect</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/PastTenseAndPastPerfect/lpmxp/post.htm#996171</link><pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:08:14 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:996171</guid><dc:creator>califjim</dc:creator><description>Example: I learned more today than I did all week. (OR) I learned more today than I had all week.   Are both sentences correct? Since &amp;#39;learned&amp;#39; is past tense, would it be accurate to use &amp;#39;had&amp;#39; because it is past perfect?   The sentence suggests that today is the last in a series of seven days. That means there is no separation in time between the progression of the days of the week and the current day. But had implies a separation -- a going back to a time previous to the span of time on which the sentence focuses. The two contradict. I find had a bit anomalous for this reason. A more appropriate use of had , in my opinion, is the following, where there is a clearer separation in time:    I learned more today than I had...</description></item><item><title>Re: Past tense and past perfect</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/PastTenseAndPastPerfect/lpmxp/post.htm#996160</link><pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:55:05 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:996160</guid><dc:creator>yankee</dc:creator><description>Hi Anon   Although &amp;quot;had&amp;quot; is possible, I think I&amp;#39;d prefer &amp;quot;did&amp;quot;. I don&amp;#39;t think anyone would interpret a real difference in terms of meaning.   By the way, you could also use &amp;quot;have&amp;quot; (rather than &amp;quot;did&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;had&amp;quot;) if you were viewing &amp;quot;today&amp;quot; as being finished, but the week were not yet over.</description></item><item><title>Re: Could you check this for me?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/CouldYouCheckThisForMe/lpkbg/post.htm#995992</link><pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:27:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:995992</guid><dc:creator>mister micawber</dc:creator><description>It is always (?) possible; past perfect is a stylistic tool-- it makes good writing.</description></item><item><title>It hadn't been a lie.</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ItHadntBeenALie/lpkxz/post.htm</link><pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:04:47 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:995559</guid><dc:creator>akdom</dc:creator><description>&amp;quot;Forgive me, but I&amp;#39;ve--I&amp;#39;ve got an appointment.&amp;quot; A smile curved across her mouth.  It hadn&amp;#39;t been a lie , not in the strick sense of the word. 
  
  
 Could you explain why use &amp;quot;hadn&amp;#39;t been a lie&amp;quot; here? Why the  Past Perfect ? 
         it hadn&amp;#39;t been a lie  (PastPerfect) 
         it wasn&amp;#39;t a lie     (Simple Past) 
 I would rather use  It wasn&amp;#39;t a lie . 
  
 I am very confused. Please explain to me that the different sense it conveys when  Past Perfect  is used and when  Simple Past  is used.</description></item><item><title>Re: The use of 'did' in inversion questions and question-word questions</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/TheInversionQuestionsQuestionWord-Questions/lkxxv/post.htm#972387</link><pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:33:27 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:972387</guid><dc:creator>cool breeze</dc:creator><description>Do/does/did is not used in questions 1. with forms of  to be :    Is he happy?   Were they swimming?   2. with perfect and past perfect auxiliaries :  Have you seen him?   Had it already begun?   3. sometimes with have/has/had when the verb is in the presnt tense, in other words, the finite verb:  Have you money?  This usage seems to be slowly disappearing and is seldom used these days, especially in AmE. It&amp;#39;s far more common to say: Have you got money? / Do you have money?   If have does not mean &amp;quot;to possess&amp;quot;,  do/does/did  must always be used:  Did you have your house painted?  Why does he have to go there?   4. If an interrogative pronoun is the subject or a part of the subject of a clause, do/does/did is not used:  What...</description></item><item><title>Re: We lived in Ireland for five years</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WeLivedIrelandFiveYears/2/lkcjp/Post.htm#970002</link><pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:52:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:970002</guid><dc:creator>dimsumexpress</dc:creator><description>Sorry to butt in like this. I&amp;#39;m sure Clive will give his expert advice but let me try to explain it the way I see it (from a non native speaker&amp;#39;s point of view). 
  
  
  
 Regarding the New York sentence, since both the living/working occur at the same time I see no reason for using the past perfect in combination with the simple past as the two suggest different times. 
  
 I had never seen such a beautiful beach before I went to Kauai. 
 The past perfect is needed here regardless of the time word &amp;#39;before&amp;#39; . It has to do with &amp;#39;the PP have never seen&amp;#39; put in the past (up until some point in the past as opposed to up until now) . 
  
 I did not have any money because I had lost my wallet. 
 Tony knew...</description></item><item><title>Re: Thought</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Thought/lkgxd/post.htm#969896</link><pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:17:17 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:969896</guid><dc:creator>pleasehelp</dc:creator><description>What about 3 days ago?    Should I use past perfect or present perfect?</description></item><item><title>Re: We lived in Ireland for five years</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WeLivedIrelandFiveYears/2/lkcjp/Post.htm#969557</link><pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:43:18 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:969557</guid><dc:creator>clive</dc:creator><description>Hi, 
 Really, I don&amp;#39;t feel I have anything I want to add at this point, and I don&amp;#39;t want to get repetitive. 
  
 My advice is that you digest things a bit and let them settle in your mind. At the same time, every time you use Past Perfect, ask yourself if it seems really necessary. 
  
 After a while, start a new thread with anything that still bothers you. 
  
 Best wishes, Clive</description></item><item><title>Re: We lived in Ireland for five years</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WeLivedIrelandFiveYears/2/lkcjp/Post.htm#969500</link><pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:53:47 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:969500</guid><dc:creator>ivanhr</dc:creator><description>Sorry to butt in like this. I&amp;#39;m sure Clive will give his expert advice but let me try to explain it the way I see it (from a non native speaker&amp;#39;s point of view). 
 
  
 Regarding the New York sentence, since both the living/working occur at the same time I see no reason for using the past perfect in combination with the simple past as the two suggest different times. 
  
 I had never seen such a beautiful beach before I went to Kauai. 
 The past perfect is needed here regardless of the time word &amp;#39;before&amp;#39; . It has to do with &amp;#39;the PP have never seen&amp;#39; put in the past (up until some point in the past as opposed to up until now) . 
  
 I did not have any money because I had lost my wallet. 
 Tony knew Istanbul...</description></item><item><title>Re: We lived in Ireland for five years</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WeLivedIrelandFiveYears/2/lkcjp/Post.htm#969333</link><pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:56:29 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:969333</guid><dc:creator>dimsumexpress</dc:creator><description>Thank you Clive for the critique. For the New York sentence, is there anything wrong or misleading in the construction that needs to be reworded. After the rewording, the original past perfect context has been erased. Maybe I tried too hard to concoct a past perfect sentence. 
 
  
  
 The past perfect here makes it sound like they counted him out before he lost his campaign, which is not your meaning. I&amp;#39;d say 
  Many people  counted him out 20 years ago after he lost his campaign . . .   
     
  
  
 I agree &amp;quot;after&amp;quot; is a better choice than &amp;quot;when&amp;quot; for the context. But I also have this thought.  When  all the ballots were completely counted late into the evening, that&amp;#39;s  when  he realized he had lost...</description></item><item><title>If clause</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/IfClause/lkvgz/post.htm</link><pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:47:03 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:969124</guid><dc:creator>natalia paramita</dc:creator><description>Please help me how to use &amp;#39;if&amp;#39; clause.. how if the clause is in present or past tense, or in present or past perfect tense..   Many thanks for ur kind help :)</description></item><item><title>Re: We lived in Ireland for five years</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WeLivedIrelandFiveYears/2/lkcjp/Post.htm#969060</link><pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:20:22 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:969060</guid><dc:creator>clive</dc:creator><description>Hi, 
  The couple next door had argued and gotten physical frequently months prior to the last night&amp;#39;s shooting.  Sounds fine either way to me.   
     
  He had worked for a couple of restaurants in town as a waiter before he became a big time singer.   
  I wouldn&amp;#39;t say this is wrong, but I prefer simple past.  
     
     
  I lived in New York for 5 years while I had worked for IBM between years 1900 to 1995.  
  I&amp;#39;d reword this whole thing.  
  
  I lived in New York from 19 9 0 to 1995, while I was working for IBM.</description></item><item><title>Re: We lived in Ireland for five years</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WeLivedIrelandFiveYears/lkcjp/post.htm#968941</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:22:58 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:968941</guid><dc:creator>dimsumexpress</dc:creator><description>Hi Clive, 
 Thanks for taking the time on my query. I guess what I had in mind when I used &amp;quot;had taken computer science for 2 semesters..&amp;quot; rather than the simple &amp;quot;took&amp;quot; was the deliberate intent to emphasize the duration I had spent time in the course before deciding to change major in the second year. I know simple past would work in everyday conversation. But I didn&amp;#39;t expect the contrary when I opted the past perfect. Now I have few more past perfect scenarios for you to comment on. Please let me know if past perfect is an overkill, being incorrect or unnecessay.  
 Thanks, 
  
  
  The couple next door had argued and gotten physical frequently months prior to the last night&amp;#39;s shooting.   
     
  He...</description></item><item><title>Re: We lived in Ireland for five years</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WeLivedIrelandFiveYears/lkcjp/post.htm#968897</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:27:52 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:968897</guid><dc:creator>clive</dc:creator><description>Hi, 
 Please allow me to clarify my own question. I&amp;#39;ve learned that if we have 2 events which took place in the past, the long preceding event should be described in past perfect. I don&amp;#39;t feel that the lengthof the earleir event is a major factor. 
 i.e. 
 I had taken computer science for two semesters before I decided to change major during my second year of college . 
  
 Can you comment on this? is the past perfect considered incorrect, No, not at all. But do you fimd the ssequence of events unclear if I say &amp;#39;&amp;#39;I took computer science . . . &amp;#39;? 
   
 or overkilled in your opinion? One mean&amp;#39;s overkill is amnother man&amp;#39;s emphasis. It&amp;#39;s the wrier&amp;#39;s choice. 
   
 It appears to me that whether a...</description></item><item><title>Re: We lived in Ireland for five years</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WeLivedIrelandFiveYears/lkcjp/post.htm#968758</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:46:23 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:968758</guid><dc:creator>califjim</dc:creator><description>We lived in Ireland for five years We (live) __ in Ireland for five years then we (move) __ to London in 2000. I think the answer is &amp;quot;lived/ moved&amp;quot; not &amp;quot;had lived / moved&amp;quot; Am I right.Thanks for your consideration.   You&amp;#39;re right because the story is being told in the same order it occurred. If you mentioned the move first, however, you would have something like this:   We moved to London in 2000. (We had lived in Ireland for five years.)   It would not be:   We moved to London in 2000. We lived in Ireland for five years.   That makes it seem that you moved to London first, then lived in Ireland, but that&amp;#39;s not what you want to say. People expect you to tell the events of your story in the same order they...</description></item><item><title>Re: We lived in Ireland for five years</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WeLivedIrelandFiveYears/lkcjp/post.htm#968730</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:09:38 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:968730</guid><dc:creator>dimsumexpress</dc:creator><description>In an attempt to reconfirm my own understanding, I&amp;#39;ve found this: http://www.englishpage.com/verbpage/pastperfect.html  
   
  The Past Perfect expresses the idea that something occurred before another action in the past. It can also show that something happened before a specific time in the past.  
 
  Examples:  
 
  I had never seen such a beautiful beach before I went to Kauai.  
  I did not have any money because I had lost my wallet.  
  Tony knew Istanbul so well because he had visited the city several times.  
  Had Susan ever studied Thai before she moved to Thailand?  
  She only understood the movie because she had read the book.  
  Kristine had never been to an opera before last night.  
  We were not able to...</description></item><item><title>Re: We lived in Ireland for five years</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WeLivedIrelandFiveYears/lkcjp/post.htm#968716</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:40:58 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:968716</guid><dc:creator>dimsumexpress</dc:creator><description>Hi Clive, 
 
 Thanks for your comments. Please allow me to clarify my own question. I&amp;#39;ve learned that if we have 2 events which took place in the past, the long preceding event should be described in past perfect. 
 i.e. 
 I had taken computer science for two semesters before I decided to change major during my second year of college . 
  
 Can you comment on this? is the past perfect considered incorrect, or overkilled in your opinion? 
  
 It appears to me that whether a sentence should take past perfect is rather loosely open to the interpretation of the readers. Is this a raw statement?</description></item><item><title>Re: We lived in Ireland for five years</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WeLivedIrelandFiveYears/lkcjp/post.htm#968703</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:24:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:968703</guid><dc:creator>clive</dc:creator><description>Hi, 
  
 However, words like &amp;#39;before&amp;#39; and &amp;#39;after&amp;#39; usually make the sequence of events very clear. In such cases, simple past is commonly used rather than past perfect. 
  
 eg 
 She turned on the stove before she cooked dinner. 
 instead of 
 She had turned on the stove before she cooked dinner. 
   
 There are also some other general considerations for use of past perfect such as the writer&amp;#39;s possible desire to keep the focus on the later event. 
  
 Best wishes, Clive</description></item><item><title>Re: We lived in Ireland for five years</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WeLivedIrelandFiveYears/lkcjp/post.htm#968652</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:38:42 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:968652</guid><dc:creator>dimsumexpress</dc:creator><description>The key indicator for using past perfect is this question: Do I have two events involved in the scenarios you are describing? Clearly, that&amp;#39;s the case here. 
 
  
 We (live) __ in Ireland for five years then we (move ) __ to London in 2000. 
 Improved: 
 We  had lived  in Ireland for five years  before  we moved to London in 2000.</description></item><item><title>Re: The past perfect tense correct?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ThePastPerfectTenseCorrect/lkrqm/post.htm#968187</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:55:04 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:968187</guid><dc:creator>dimsumexpress</dc:creator><description>He had received our help over past years 
  
 Based on the above, I would say past perfect continuous is more appropriate as this process went on for quite sometime. However, it didn&amp;#39;t meet the basic requirement for past perfect which is two events taking place in the past with one preceding the other.</description></item><item><title>Re: Sentence correction</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/SentenceCorrection/ljxhl/post.htm#967134</link><pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:36:15 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:967134</guid><dc:creator>avangi</dc:creator><description>I&amp;#39;d recommend the past perfect tense, &amp;quot;that I  had  dozed a little.&amp;quot; This shows that one past tense event took place before the other. First, you dozed. Then you realized it.</description></item><item><title>Re: Use of [had + past participle] form by itself in what's supposedly a sentence in past perfect tense</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsePastParticipleFormItself-SupposedlySentencePastPerfect-Te/ljkqm/post.htm#966158</link><pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:18:54 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:966158</guid><dc:creator>ivanhr</dc:creator><description>Hi, 
 
 A sentence containing only a past perfect verb suggests an earlier time in the past. In the above example it could be over a hundred years but I think a broader context would probably answer that question. 
  
 &amp;quot;The Rockerafella fortune had begun over a hundred years earlier with Nelson&amp;#39;s grandfather , John D Rockafella, the founder of the Standard Oil Corporation.&amp;quot; 
 I guess it implicitly suggests an earlier time, (there was Nelson and there had been his grandfather before him).</description></item><item><title>Use of [had + past participle] form by itself in what's supposedly a sentence in past perfect tense</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsePastParticipleFormItself-SupposedlySentencePastPerfect-Te/ljkqm/post.htm</link><pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:45:35 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:966122</guid><dc:creator>mkyol</dc:creator><description>The following is a line from a documentary film: &amp;quot;The Rockerafella fortune had begun over a hundred years earlier with Nelson&amp;#39;s grandfather, John D Rockafella, the founder of the Standard Oil Corporation.&amp;quot; I&amp;#39;m confused about the use of &amp;quot;had&amp;quot; there. The source of my confusion stems from the fact that sentence is not in the usual past perfect tense with both  form and  form present -- it just has the latter. I was thinking that maybe the lines that come before it or after it provide a time reference point for the &amp;quot;had.&amp;quot; The previous lines before it are not directly relevant to this sentence as the sentence changes the topic, so I don&amp;#39;t think they have anything to do with it as far as my question...</description></item><item><title>Re: Using Past Perfect with "last year"</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsingPastPerfectLastYear/ljjpb/post.htm#965818</link><pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:36:17 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:965818</guid><dc:creator>tinanam0102</dc:creator><description>Hi Clive, 
  
 Thank you for your help. I&amp;#39;ll remeber to use Simple Past. 
  
 I apologize for the typos I made in #1. For #2. I copied it down from a newsletter. 
  
 Regards, 
 Tinanam</description></item><item><title>Re: Using Past Perfect with "last year"</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsingPastPerfectLastYear/ljjpb/post.htm#965808</link><pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:22:42 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:965808</guid><dc:creator>clive</dc:creator><description>Hi, 
 In both of your examples, I see no reason to use Past Perfect. I&amp;#39;d just use Simple Past. 
  
 If you have typed them correctly, other parts of the wording suggest to me that these sentences were not written by native speakers. 
  
 Best wishes, Clive</description></item><item><title>Using Past Perfect with "last year"</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsingPastPerfectLastYear/ljjpb/post.htm</link><pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:15:19 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:965805</guid><dc:creator>tinanam0102</dc:creator><description>Hi teachers, 
  
 Could you please tell me why past perfect is used with &amp;quot;last year&amp;quot; instead of past tense? My tutorial teacher used to tell me it was wrong about the choice of tense. 
  
 &amp;quot;Germany&amp;#39;s biggest solar company, Q-Cells, had traded near 100 euro early lat year;, it&amp;#39;s now about 10 euro.&amp;quot; 
  
 &amp;quot;Do you remember John? He had written a paper on God&amp;#39;s creation. He now is travelling to China.&amp;quot; 
  
 Thank you. 
  
 Regards, 
 Tinanam</description></item><item><title>Re: Doubts in Participle.</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/DoubtsInParticiple/ljjmb/post.htm#965764</link><pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:15:20 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:965764</guid><dc:creator>clive</dc:creator><description>Hi,  
 I have doubt in a sentence. 
 &amp;quot;I have reviewed the attachment which u had sent&amp;quot; Can you please let me if the grammar usage in this sentence is correct.  
 I&amp;#39;m puzzled. You care about tenses, but not about spelling the word &amp;#39;you&amp;#39; correctly.  
   
 I see no reason here to use Past Perfect. 
 &amp;quot;I have reviewed the attachment which you sent&amp;quot; 
  &amp;quot;I have reviewed your attachment.&amp;quot;  
    
 Best wishes, Clive</description></item><item><title>Re: It had intended / It intended</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ItHadIntendedItIntended/ljvlp/post.htm#964374</link><pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:41:50 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:964374</guid><dc:creator>yankee</dc:creator><description>Hi Tinanam0102   You asked about the word &amp;quot;it&amp;quot;, but you also underlined &amp;quot;it&amp;quot; twice, and &amp;quot;it&amp;quot; refers to different things in each case. Here is my opinion:   &amp;quot;it had intended&amp;quot; it = the (Spanish) government The past perfect was used because the intention referred to is connected to the establishment of subsidies, and that preceded the actual growth as well as the subsequent cutting/capping of subsidies. (The Spanish government had new/different intentions when it cut the subsidies.)   &amp;quot;it&amp;quot; (the second one) It would have been easier to say what &amp;quot;it&amp;quot; refers to if you had included the rest of the sentence, but I guess that &amp;quot;it&amp;quot; probably refers to subsidies or the growth...</description></item><item><title>Re: Is this sentence correct</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/IsThisSentenceCorrect/ljdwk/post.htm#963993</link><pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:07:34 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:963993</guid><dc:creator>clive</dc:creator><description>Hi, 
 Yes. 
 But you need a context in which it makes sense to use the Past Perfect. 
  
 Best wishes, Clive</description></item><item><title>Re: If it were not for</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/IfItWereNotFor/lwzcm/post.htm#959542</link><pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:48:54 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:959542</guid><dc:creator>califjim</dc:creator><description>doesn’t have to be ““If it had not been for” have to is such a strong expression! No. Actually, it doesn&amp;#39;t absolutely have to be If it had not been for . The substitute clause If it weren&amp;#39;t for is often used instead, even though it&amp;#39;s not technically correct according to the grammar books.    This may have something to do with the fact that the verb is to be . The substitution of the past for the past perfect after if seems to be fairly frequent with this verb.   If he were smart, he wouldn&amp;#39;t have borrowed so much money.  If we were in charge, we could have prevented them from making such fools of themselves.  If you were in a better mood, you wouldn&amp;#39;t have screamed at the children like that.   To be on the safe side,...</description></item><item><title>Re: "because malcolm had never become a cutthroat CEO, he had few enemies"</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/BecauseMalcolmNeverBecomeCutthroat-Enemies/lwbmj/post.htm#958759</link><pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:05:20 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:958759</guid><dc:creator>mkyol</dc:creator><description>Thanks for the post, the sentence was in fact from a documentary video on Malcolm Forbes. I think I get what you mean correctly, but let me just elaborate on my thinking process so I am not on a wrong track (correct any part that you notice is wrong): So it&amp;#39;s a narrative, with the narrator &amp;quot;going&amp;quot; from the beginning time at which the story or biography begins to the end time at which Malcolm&amp;#39;s life comes to an end as the video progresses. By &amp;quot;going&amp;quot;, what I mean is that when the narrator talks about Malcolm and events surrounding him, he is essentially at a specific point of time in the past (with respect to now as in the present-reality now) -- determined by the content just before the narrator makes the...</description></item><item><title>"because malcolm had never become a cutthroat CEO, he had few enemies"</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/BecauseMalcolmNeverBecomeCutthroat-Enemies/lwbmj/post.htm</link><pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 02:22:46 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:958537</guid><dc:creator>mkyol</dc:creator><description>I would like someone to confirm my thoughts on the following sentence, to see if I am on the right track or am just in fantasy lala land, going off on a tangent: &amp;quot;Because Malcolm had never become a cutthroat CEO, he had few enemies.&amp;quot; I am pondering about the above sentence, in terms of the tense used.  I think the sentence is trying to convey that sometime in the past, Malcolm had few enemies, and this is because going further back into the past from that point, Malcolm was never a cutthroat CEO (he never became one during that time).  Compare the above sentence with the following sentence, written in simple past tense: &amp;quot;Because Malcolm never became a cutthroat CEO, he had few enemies.&amp;quot; In this case, I think that...</description></item><item><title>A question about "I wish you had never been born"</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/AQuestionAboutWishNeverBorn/lwbkj/post.htm</link><pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:25:29 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:958503</guid><dc:creator>mkyol</dc:creator><description>Hello, I&amp;#39;m confused about the sentence &amp;quot;I wish you had never been born.&amp;quot; 
 I don&amp;#39;t quite get why the &amp;quot;had&amp;quot; is used.. is that making the sentence have past perfect tense? Or does it have something to do with conditionals? Couldn&amp;#39;t you just say &amp;quot;I wish you were never born&amp;quot;?How are the two sentences different in meaning? Thanks.</description></item><item><title>Re: Questions mainly on past perfect tense uses</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/QuestionsMainlyPastPerfectTense-Uses/lhgvg/post.htm#954941</link><pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:24:58 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:954941</guid><dc:creator>califjim</dc:creator><description>1. There is no objection to the use of time words with the past perfect tense. The objection is when these words are used with the present perfect tense. You may, however, if you wish, replace &amp;quot;last week&amp;quot; with &amp;quot;the previous week&amp;quot;. Both are equally correct from the grammatical point of view.   2. The sentence is fine as it stands. The simple past forms of find and leave are indistinguishable from their past participles, so it&amp;#39;s impossible to say whether the writer intended the auxiliary had to apply to them or not. Nothing about the correctness of the sentence hinges on knowing this; it would be correct either way.   3.  would be is not wrong. It depends on what meaning you want to convey.    Because he hadn&amp;#39;t...</description></item><item><title>Hadn't</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Hadnt/lhcxg/post.htm</link><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:24:20 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:953944</guid><dc:creator>pleasehelp</dc:creator><description>Why didn&amp;#39;t you just say you haven&amp;#39;t read the book.   Why didn&amp;#39;t you just say you hadn&amp;#39;t read the book.   Again one is present perfect and the other is past perfect but what&amp;#39;s the difference between the two sentences?</description></item><item><title>Re: About Inversion</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/AboutInversion/lhcbb/post.htm#953749</link><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:47:56 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:953749</guid><dc:creator>califjim</dc:creator><description>There is no true inversion involved (as in forming a question), although you may consider some of the movements of constituents to be inversions. _______________   First, let&amp;#39;s disambiguate the pronouns that refer to the council.   He said that the council had recently had it confirmed that the council had the power (to investigate).   The basic sentence is:    The fact that the council had the power was confirmed. (This is simply the passive form of  (Somebody) confirmed (the fact) that the council had the power. )    This can be stated more simply as:     That the council had the power was confirmed.   Inserting &amp;quot;dummy it &amp;quot; and post-posing the clausal subject, we get:     It was confirmed that the council had the power . ...</description></item><item><title>CHP tickets</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ChpTickets/lhrvj/post.htm</link><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:35:42 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:953199</guid><dc:creator>pleasehelp</dc:creator><description>I told my mom she has gotten a ticket for not speaking English. OR   I told my mom she had gotten a ticket for not speaking English.    What&amp;#39;s the difference between the two sentences? I know one is present perfect and the other past perfect but don&amp;#39;t they essentially mean the same thing?</description></item><item><title>Re: Repeated: happening, said or done many times</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/RepeatedHappeningSaidDone-Times/lgmbk/post.htm#951763</link><pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:04:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:951763</guid><dc:creator>avangi</dc:creator><description>Hello.
   re•peated   adj.  happening , said or done many times.   Oxford Dictionary. 
  

 I can&amp;#39;t understand why it is said happening and not  happened (like said and done ).  Good question. This is a very restricted definition &amp;quot;adj. &amp;quot;   When we make adjectives out of verbs (eg., &amp;quot;to repeat&amp;quot;) we typically use the past and present participles:  This is a repeated pattern.  This is a repeating pattern.   Then we get into the business of the pattern to be  plus  adjective vs. passive voice verb.  
 This is repeated many times. 
 This is said many times. 
 This is done many times. 
 This is happened many times.  This is happening many times. 
  
 The definition is rendered in the present tense.  
 You may...</description></item><item><title>Re: The past perfect or the past indefinite</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ThePastPerfectPastIndefinite/lggrk/post.htm#950063</link><pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:20:09 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:950063</guid><dc:creator>norwolf</dc:creator><description>The contexts: 
 honeysuckle submerged there on the floor of Dale Creek. Yes, he said, he saw my mother sitting on the steps stirring a cake, and I was seven and licking vanilla icing. # &amp;quot; Oh, Teddy, I can hardly wait. When can we go there? I want Patrice to come too. What steps do we take? The steps on East Boulevard or the steps on Herrick Road? &amp;quot; # &amp;quot; We take the steps that lead from the Czechoslovakian gardens. &amp;quot; # I was so happy.  When   I   was   young   I   had   wandered  through Dale Creek on summer days. Then one day they built a highway over it. # Each day I passed Lakeview Cemetery where my father and brother were buried. # A magazine called Avenues came out with an article, &amp;quot; Welcome Home, Suzanne...</description></item><item><title>The past perfect or the past indefinite</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ThePastPerfectPastIndefinite/lggrk/post.htm</link><pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:33:01 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:949953</guid><dc:creator>norwolf</dc:creator><description>These sentences are taken from COCA:  
  When    I   was   young  I  had  wandered through Dale Creek on summer days. 
 They&amp;#39;d laughed at my name  when   I   was   young , and I  had n&amp;#39;t liked it much. 
 He  had  evidenced traces of it  when   he   was   young ; 
 But I once learnt we better use the past indefinite instead of the past perfect. 
 Is that true? 
 Could you share your views, teachers? 
 Thank you very much.</description></item><item><title>The past perfect or the past indefinite</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ThePastPerfectPastIndefinite/lgzdz/post.htm</link><pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:35:18 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:949710</guid><dc:creator>norwolf</dc:creator><description>These sentences are taken from COCA: 
  When    I   was   young  I  had  wandered through Dale Creek on summer days. 
 They&amp;#39;d laughed at my name  when   I   was   young , and I  had n&amp;#39;t liked it much. 
 He  had  evidenced traces of it  when   he   was   young ; 
 
 But I once learnt we better use the past perfect. 
 Is that true? 
 Could you share your views, teachers? 
 Thank you very much.</description></item><item><title>Re: Past Perfect Tense</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/PastPerfectTense/lgvcj/post.htm#949469</link><pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:33:54 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:949469</guid><dc:creator>avangi</dc:creator><description>The tense is a tool. You choose the option when you wish to clarify the time relationship between two (or more) actions or events. We&amp;#39;d really need to see more to judge fairly if the past perfect is useful in this particular case.</description></item><item><title>Re: Past Perfect Tense</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/PastPerfectTense/lgvcj/post.htm#949434</link><pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:50:30 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:949434</guid><dc:creator>jemaasjr</dc:creator><description>You make me laugh. (In a good way.) With out seeing the rest of the writing I have a hard time to be sure, but that sentence as written reads really weird. Past tense would shurely be enough here.</description></item><item><title>Past Perfect Tense</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/PastPerfectTense/lgvcj/post.htm</link><pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:15:25 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:949408</guid><dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator><description>I&amp;#39;m writing a college essay in which the sentence &amp;quot;After graduating from (college), he had taken the business world by storm.&amp;quot; The context it is used in is within a eulogy.   My question is whether the past perfect tense can be used because the addition of &amp;quot;before he died&amp;quot; is implied in the sentence, or should had taken simply be changed to took?</description></item><item><title>Re: Would have Vpp or would V</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WouldHaveVppOrWouldV/jjkcv/post.htm#948646</link><pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:29:10 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:948646</guid><dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator><description>Here&amp;#39;s how it should be: 
  
 
 Jackson would have celebrated his fiftieth birthday this August if he were alive . 
 Jackson would have celebrated his fiftieth birthday this August if he had not died earlier this year . 
  
 There are a few different ways. The protasis (if part) is in present time and contrary to fact whereas the apodasis (then part) is in the past. It all depends when this was written, too. It could read this since it was written in June: 
  
 
 Jackson would celebrate his fiftieth birthday this August if he were still alive . 
 Jackson would celebrate his fiftieth birthday this August if he had not died . 
 Jackson would be celebrating his fiftieth birthday this August if he had not died . 
 Jackson...</description></item><item><title>Re: The perfect form ＋ the subjunctive mood</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ThePerfectFormSubjunctive-Mood/wmbjg/post.htm#948634</link><pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:01:42 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:948634</guid><dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator><description>It can be put in present perfect and past perfect using &amp;quot;if&amp;quot; like this: 
  
 
 If the train have already left , we shall/will take the next train. (formal present perfect subjunctive) 
 If the train had already left , we should/would take the next train. (formal past perfect subjunctive) 
  
 You can substitute the modal &amp;quot;should&amp;quot; between &amp;quot;train&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;have&amp;quot; to read like this: 
  
 
 If the train should have already left , we shall/will take the next train. 
 Should the train have already left , we shall/will take the next train. 
  
 If you conjugate &amp;quot;to have&amp;quot; in the present indicative as &amp;quot;the train has&amp;quot;, this is considered an informal condition or it means something...</description></item><item><title>Re: Grammar</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Grammar/lzhnv/post.htm#945834</link><pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:44:02 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:945834</guid><dc:creator>cool breeze</dc:creator><description>Now if I look up &amp;quot;are,&amp;quot; the dictionary tells me that it is the present plural of &amp;quot;be.&amp;quot; But what I would expect is that it would tell me that it is the present plural of &amp;quot;am&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;is&amp;quot; because those are the verbs I actually use if I want the singular of &amp;quot;are.&amp;quot;  MM has given you agood answer; I&amp;#39;ll just elaborate a little.   It is obvious that you have never been taught the forms of to be and how to use them. (It&amp;#39;s never too late to start! ) Are can be singular or plural, by the way.    A. the full/complete infinitive: I want to be   here.  Used after many verbs such as want, expect, desire etc. Also used after adjectives and there are other uses.   B. the plain/bare infinitive =...</description></item><item><title>Re: Grammar</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Grammar/lzhnv/post.htm#945721</link><pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 06:02:14 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:945721</guid><dc:creator>jemaasjr</dc:creator><description>Something I want to know, is way they use &amp;quot;to be&amp;quot; as the lexeme when the first persion singular &amp;quot;is&amp;quot; seems more obvious, at least to me.   The tenses I was obliged to learn in school were future perfect, future, present, past and past perfect.</description></item><item><title>Re: Felt him convicted</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/FeltHimConvicted/lzhqq/post.htm#945618</link><pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:04:31 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:945618</guid><dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator><description>The problem you are having is that the felt goes with she and the convicted goes with her son , and so you can not say She felt convicted by the media... As a result you have to put her son into a subordinate something (clause, whatever) to keep the to verbs separate. Also, the way you have it written is an elliptical construction, which is perfectly acceptable, but I think it confused you in verb usage. What you want to say is: She felt (that) her son was convicted by the media... The that subordinates her son was convicted , and you need the was because it needs to be past perfect tense.   (Also, saying grammatically and semantically is being redundant, at least as I understand the terms. Perhaps you have been taught something else?)  ...</description></item></channel></rss>