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&lt;P&gt;"The Change of the Characteristics in the passage from &lt;EM&gt;The Hours&lt;/EM&gt;"&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;The passage from the novel &lt;I&gt;The Hours&lt;/I&gt; by Michael Cunningham is intriguing. The passage illustrates the difference between the character's characteristics in different time settings: past and present. This difference is clearly shown through the contrasting structure, imagery and language.&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; The structure reflects the division of the time setting and helps to contrast the different characteristics. The passage has two paragraphs, each describing the character's thoughts and perception about a same place, of the past and present. The length of each paragraph is different; the one from the past is much longer than the other one from the&amp;nbsp; present. This can be related to each of the paragraph's sentence construction. In the first paragraph, about the past, the lengths of the sentences are very long. The first sentence takes eight lines, lengthened continuously within commas, semi-colons and colons. In fact, in one sentence, there are five commas, five semi-colons and a colon. This overly-continued sentence gives a sense of unfiltered, informal, and unrestricted flowing of thoughts. Moreover, the use of brackets, âsome sort of wood(cedar? Camphor?),â seems to be less sophisticated, compared to using dashes or other punctuations of the same function. However, in the second paragraph of the present, the sentence construction is shown contrastingly. The paragraph starts with a short simple sentence: âShe turns down Bleecker, goes up Thomson.â Also, in this paragraph, there are four sentences in six lines, and three of the four sentences are written in simple sentence, including the example above. Although there are a few commas in some of the sentences, there is no semi-colon, but only a colon in the last sentence. The colon is used in a very appropriate way, functioning to introduce the list of âthingsâ, such as âjewelryâ and âjackets.â Thus, within the brief and concise sentence construction, the character in the present appears to be more mature, filtered and sophisticated than in the past. However, as a result of that, the sense of youthful, unfiltered freedom cannot be found anymore in the present.&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; In addition to the structure, the contrasting imagery of each paragraph demonstrates further differences of the characteristic in the past and present. As both paragraphs are of the same setting, the image of the same place is described at each time. So, the consistent place makes the comparison between the two more distinctive and reliable. The imagery of the place is very vivid in the past, not only within the visual sense, but also within the auditory and olfactory senses, whereas that of the past only relies on the sense of sight. For example, in the past, âthe neighborhoodâ is depicted as âthe center of something new and wildâ in âthe city where the sound of guitars drifted all nightâ and âwhere the stores â¦ smelled the way â¦ Arab bazaars must smell.â This is detail, imaginative and lively, even the âArab bazaarsâ creates a somewhat mystical and adventurous atmosphere. This interesting and passionate depiction is being minimized in the present into three words: an âimitation of itself.â It is now âa watered-down carnival for tourists,â which gives a sense of inactivity and boredom. Also, the stores now âall sell essentially the same things,â such as âsouvenir T-shirts.â This seems to be dull, with no excitement or creativity or passion. This changed imagery, depicted by the character, rather shows the change in the character's perception. The change in perception is demonstrated more clearly within the notion of the âdoorâ and âalley.â In the past, she says, âif you passed through the wrong door or down the wrong alley you would meet a fate,â however, in the present, she âknows that behind these doors, and down these alleys lies nothing more or less than people living their lives.â In the past, she seems to be more concerned with the 'inner' world of thought or imagination. Whereas in the present, she seems to be more grounded in the external world of physical reality. As like the previously discussed change in the sentence structure, she is now more sophisticated, knowledgeable and realistic than the past. Also, as like the image of the place, her perception changed from the creative, interesting and adventurous to the boring, predictable and filtered way. Thus, the contrasting imagery of the past and present reflects the similar change in the character's perception.&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; While the structure and the imagery convey the distinctive change in the characteristics of the character, the contrasting use of language supports those differences. More specifically, the diction [dash]shown in the past and the present[dash] is comparable. Reflecting the imagery of the varied senses, the words and expressions used in the past are also varied and animated, such as âincense and richâ and âdung-y dustâ describing the smell of the stores. These two expressions, âincense and richâ and âdung-y dustâ are contrasting; they express the diversity of the object. Moreover, the speaker creates a non-existing adjective, âdung-y.â The extra adding of â-yâ grants a more animated image, and it gives a sense of freedom and even somewhat childishness. The âsmellâ is then described as âsomething fruitily, fertilely rotting.â Again, she creates a non-existing adverb, âfruitily,â expressing the scent rather vividly, which would be sour as it ârots.â The other adverb âfertilelyâ contributes to create a sense of abundance and richness of the imagery. However, the use of those two positive adverbs, modifying the negative verb ârottingâ seems to be oxymoron in âfruit[full]â or âfertile,â as well as the use of adjective âdisreputable,â following ânew and wild.â The oxymoron adds an unpredictable sense to the imagery and hence to the depicter's thoughts. On the other hand, in the present, the adjectives used to describe the âcityâ and the âstores,â are ânothing,â âless,â âsame,â and âstill.â All of them are negative and reflect the boredom, dullness and hopelessness. More significantly, the speaker uses the adverb, âGrotesquelyâ before describing how âthe same bars and coffeehouses are still [th]ereâ, showing the character's cynical characteristic. So does the use of the adjective âcheapâ for the goods at the stores. Thus, in the past, the character uses language interestingly [dash] it is diverse, lively and creative [dash]&amp;nbsp;whereas that of the past is inactive, hopeless and cynical. These differences are directly reflecting the character's contrasting, changed characteristic.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; The change of the characteristic seems to be abrupt. As a cause, something would have happened to her, that is not shown in the passage. However, an assumption can be drawn within the evidences from the passage. There is a shift in the first paragraph within âHere,â showing the shifted tense from the past to the past perfect. In the past perfect, there is a scene of Clarissa, the major character, and her boyfriend Richard. She seems to appreciate Richard a lot, for example, she does not use the pronoun 'he' for âRichard,â even though he is the only male character. So, in a sentence, Richard is successively repeated three times, âwith Richard, when Richard â¦ when Richard.â Moreover, she describes his appearance in detail; he âwas nineteen,â âa firm-featured, hard-eyed, not-quite-beautiful dark-haired boy with an impossibly long and graceful, very pale neck.â So, to describe Richard, she combines an adjective and a noun to create a single adjective, such as âhard-eyed.â This shows her seriousness about describing him precisely. His âimpossibly longâ and âvery paleâ neck would seem negative, if not for the complementary adjective âgraceful.â Also, the adverb âimpossiblyâ gives a sense of special and unusual feeling for the person. Besides the use of language, the use of punctuation should also be noted. There are many commas, causing the sentences to seem choppy. This would be imitating the feeling of uncertainty and the tension in the situation. The uncertainty of the situation is shown in the line, ââ¦about what? A kiss? Had Richard kissed her, or had she, Clarissaâ¦,â also the tension created as they âhad certainly argued.â Then, the reason for the âargu[ment]â is explained: âClarissa wanted her freedom and Richard wanted, well, too much.â It is notable that as Richard âwanted â¦ too muchâ relating to the âkiss,â the pronoun 'he' is used as âdidn't &lt;I&gt;he&lt;/I&gt; always?â In this case, however, the pronoun 'he' seems to more likely indicate every 'man', rather than particularly âRichard.â Thereafter the paragraph ends, and the paragraph of the present starts. It is not sure whether the abrupt change in Clarissa's characteristic is due to âRichardâ or not. Although it is not, it is evident that Clarissa once considered and cared about him quite specially.&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Despite of the uncertain reason, the change in the Clarissa's characteristic from the past to the present is shown clearly throughout&amp;nbsp; the contrasting structure, imagery and language. The characteristic includes the thoughts and perception, which were unrestricted, unfiltered, creative and animated in the past; whereas in the present, they are shown&amp;nbsp; restricted, filtered, dull and inactive. The change is extreme, but no particular evidence for the extremity is being suggested, except the short scene with Richard. Thus, this passage not only introduces the setting and the character, but also evokes the reader's curiosity: What has happened to Clarissa?&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;I really really really appreciate for your help... Thank you..!&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Past simple or Past Perfect?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/PastSimpleOrPastPerfect/3/vchnx/Post.htm#346168</link><pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:53:05 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:346168</guid><dc:creator>Lukki</dc:creator><description>&lt;h2&gt;Differences between Past simple &amp;amp; Past perfect (simple)&lt;/h2&gt;From my point of view the sentence "I have written 3 pages of my essay today." means, that I haven't finished it yet. &lt;u&gt;Some work is done&lt;/u&gt; ("I have done something already.") &lt;u&gt;and I will work on it later in the future&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;And the sentence "I wrote 3 pages of my essay today." means, that my essay is done, takes 3 pages. The writting ended in the past.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We use the Present perfect when there is a connection with the present.&lt;/p&gt;Really complicated to explain, maybe some examples could help.&lt;b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Here they are:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;1.&lt;i&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Study this axample situation:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Nick is looking for his key. He can't find it. He &lt;b&gt;has lost&lt;/b&gt; his key.&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; ("He &lt;b&gt;has lost&lt;/b&gt; his key." means that he lost it a short time ago and he still doesn't have it.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;div align="right"&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;(This example is from the book "Grammar in Use" by Raymond Murphy)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;2.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;b&gt;Have you ever been&lt;/b&gt; to United States?&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; No, &lt;b&gt;I haven't&lt;/b&gt;, but &lt;b&gt;I have been&lt;/b&gt; to the Great Britain.&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; (This is very common phrase and means that you didn't take a trip to the US, but you &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; can chage it and take the trip in the present or close future.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(By the way, everyone please correct my mistakes, THX. It is very hard to check my punctuation, because I'm from the Czech Republic, and here are lot of rules of writting commas and they are different from English, so I hope you will help me with that.)&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Punctuation puzzle</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/PunctuationPuzzle/dwlhc/post.htm#293167</link><pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:23:50 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:293167</guid><dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator><description>&lt;P&gt;Hi again,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#0000ff&gt;Question- 2) John where James had had had had had had had had had had had the teacher's approval&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color=#ff1493&gt;Answer&amp;nbsp;-&amp;nbsp; 2) John, where James had had 'had had', had 'had had had'. 'Had had' had the teacher's approval.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Here's my scenario.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;First, James wrote 'Before I bought a Porsche, I had had a BMW.' The teacher approved of the 'had had' in this sentence.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Next, John wrote 'Before I bought a Porsche, I had had had a BMW.' James obviously has trouble with the Past Perfect, so the teacher did not approve of the 'had had had' in this sentence.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Jonathan, this may not be the scenario you had in mind, but do you think&amp;nbsp;my answer is invalid? &lt;img src="/emoticons/emotion-1.gif" alt="Smile [:)]" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Best wishes, Clive&lt;/P&gt;</description></item><item><title>chronicle</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Chronicle/bpwwr/post.htm</link><pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:08:31 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:159664</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator><description>&lt;P&gt;Hello every one,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;After learning English as a foreign language for a long time, I start to love English recently. However, there are some problems happened during my reading. Could anyone help me and give me some suggests about anything, such as the correct grammar, words or punctuation of my questions, the right answer of my inference? Iâll very appreciate your kindness!&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;How to use âchronicleâ? &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I agree with this use, âChronicle the growth of a cityâ, but how about this,âFew of the remaining 97 percent recorded their thoughts or had them chronicled by contemporaries.â&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;After few minutes staring and thinking, I inferred as follows. &lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;Subject: Few of the remaining 97 percent&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Verb1: record. Their thoughts must be recorded by themselves, that is, the verb here has to be an active voice, not a passive.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Verb2: chronicle. Their chronicle must be chronicled by contemporaries, and this matter had occurred, so it uses past perfect tense and passive.&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;Is my inference right? Is the best way to express the idea? Besides, I am sorry for my possible expression fault, I also hope you can help me to correct my questionary sentences.&lt;/P&gt;
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