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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Search results for 'tag:Past tenses tag:Negations' matching tags 'Past tenses' and 'Negations'</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/search/pro.htm?q=tag%3aPast+tenses+tag%3aNegations&amp;tag=Past+tenses,Negations&amp;orTags=0</link><description>Search results for 'tag:Past tenses tag:Negations' matching tags 'Past tenses' and 'Negations'</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>CSMOD (Build: 3191.21962)</generator><item><title>Re: I thought</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/IThought/gbqpc/post.htm#510920</link><pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:12:17 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:510920</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;New2grammar&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p&gt;What&amp;#39;s the difference between &amp;quot;I thought I knew&amp;quot; and &amp;quot; I thought I know&amp;quot;?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was told that the verb following &amp;quot;I thoug&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;h&lt;/font&gt;t&amp;quot; must be past tense.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; Kooyeen has the answer:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;you need to use the past tense after verbs like&lt;i&gt; thought, didn&amp;#39;t think, felt, knew, etc.&lt;/i&gt;
Verbs like those seem to force a backshift in tense because they are
more related to your &amp;quot;feelings&amp;quot; at a certain moment in the past than
the &amp;quot;information&amp;quot; you had or got&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Memorize&lt;/b&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I thought I knew / I thought I had to / I thought I was / I thought they were / I thought I could / I thought they would /&amp;nbsp; ...&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I knew I had to / I knew I was / I knew they were / I knew I could / I knew they would / I knew they wanted / ...&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I felt I knew / I felt I had to / I felt I was / I felt they were / I felt I could / I felt he would / ...&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I hoped I was / I hoped they were / I hoped I could / I hoped I didn&amp;#39;t have to ...&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I believed I knew / I believed I could / I believed they were / I believed I was / ...&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I didn&amp;#39;t think ... / I didn&amp;#39;t know ... / ... / Did you know ...?&amp;nbsp; / Did you feel ...?&amp;nbsp; / ...&lt;/i&gt; (same for negations and questions)&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Adding &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; doesn&amp;#39;t change the basic principle here:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;I thought &lt;u&gt;that&lt;/u&gt; I knew ...&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;_____________&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And don&amp;#39;t attempt to use present tense after &lt;i&gt;thought, knew, felt, hoped, &lt;/i&gt;or&lt;i&gt; believed&lt;/i&gt; -- and you&amp;#39;ll be fine.&amp;nbsp; You&amp;#39;ll sound just like a native speaker.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But put a present tense there (&lt;i&gt;I knew they are / I thought I am / I hoped I can / ...&lt;/i&gt;), and you&amp;#39;ll expose yourself immediately as a non-native!!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;CJ&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;P.S.&amp;nbsp; If you make a distinct pause in speech to indicate a direct quote, these principles do not apply:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I thought, &amp;quot;I know how to do that.&amp;nbsp; Why are they saying I don&amp;#39;t?&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I thought [ short pause ] I know how to ...&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You absolutely cannot use the complementizer &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; in this case:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;*I thought [ short pause ] &lt;u&gt;that&lt;/u&gt; I know how to ...&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/i&gt;(NO!)&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Using ''need'' as a modal</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsingNeedAsAModal/zrlgq/post.htm#420902</link><pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:24:46 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:420902</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;&lt;font color="#000080"&gt;Need sometimes behaves like a modal, for example
'She need know', 'She needn't know', or, in more formal English, 'She
need not know'.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Palmer (&lt;i&gt;The English Verb&lt;/i&gt;) says, "The modal forms [of &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt;] are available only with ... negation and interrogation."&amp;nbsp; So &lt;i&gt;She need know&lt;/i&gt; is not possible.&amp;nbsp; It has to be &lt;i&gt;She needs to know&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
He also says that "modal &lt;b&gt;dare&lt;/b&gt; can be used with past time reference though it cannot have any past tense marking", that is, there is no modal form &lt;i&gt;dared&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp; His example is:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;i&gt;I wanted to go, but I daren't.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
CJ&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Using ''need'' as a modal</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/UsingNeedAsAModal/zrkzz/post.htm#420585</link><pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:06:55 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:420585</guid><dc:creator>Cool Breeze</dc:creator><description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="txt4"&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;Jackson6612 wrote:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#000080"&gt;Need sometimes behaves like a modal, for example 'She need know', 'She needn't know', or, in more formal English, 'She need not know'.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#000080"&gt;Examples:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#000080"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;1:&lt;/strong&gt; You needn't worry&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#000080"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;2:&lt;/strong&gt; Buying budget-priced furniture needn't mean compromising on quality or style...&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#000080"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;3:&lt;/strong&gt; Loneliness can be horrible, but it need not remain that way...&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#000080"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;4:&lt;/strong&gt; You needn't come again, if you don't want to...&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#000080"&gt;[an excerpt from Collins COBUILD Dictionary]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would have written the above examples as:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;1:&lt;/strong&gt; You needn't&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;u&gt;to&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt; worry&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;2:&lt;/strong&gt; Buying budget-priced furniture&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;does&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;n't mean compromising on quality or style...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;3:&lt;/strong&gt; Loneliness can be horrible, but it need not &lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;strong&gt;to&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/font&gt; remain that way...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;4:&lt;/strong&gt; You needn't &lt;strong&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;to&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; come again, if you don't want to...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Questions:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;1:&lt;/strong&gt; I suppose ''to'' is functioning as a preposition in the above examples. Why can't a preposition be used after a modal?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hi Jackson&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You've got it wrong. &lt;i&gt;To&lt;/i&gt; isn't a preposition in your sentences after &lt;i&gt;need, &lt;/i&gt;it's a particle before an infinitive. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Examples of &lt;i&gt;to&lt;/i&gt; as a &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;preposition&lt;/font&gt;:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;I am going &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;to&lt;/font&gt; the park.&lt;br&gt;We are listening &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;to&lt;/font&gt; him.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;Examples of &lt;i&gt;to&lt;/i&gt; as &lt;font color="#008000"&gt;part of an infinitive&lt;/font&gt;:&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;I want &lt;font color="#008000"&gt;to&lt;/font&gt; go there.&lt;br&gt;It's impossible &lt;font color="#008000"&gt;to&lt;/font&gt; learn this.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/i&gt;The &lt;i&gt;to-&lt;/i&gt;particle is normally &lt;u&gt;not&lt;/u&gt; used after a &lt;font color="#800080"&gt;modal auxiliary&lt;/font&gt;, or a &lt;font color="#800080"&gt;defective auxiliary&lt;/font&gt;, as they are also called:&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;I &lt;font color="#800080"&gt;will&lt;/font&gt; do it tomorrow.&lt;br&gt;&lt;font color="#800080"&gt;Can&lt;/font&gt; he swim?&lt;br&gt;You &lt;font color="#800080"&gt;should&lt;/font&gt; buy it.&lt;br&gt;You &lt;font color="#800080"&gt;should&lt;/font&gt; have bought it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/i&gt;If you use &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;dare&lt;/i&gt; in the same way as the modals are used, they behave in &lt;u&gt;exactly&lt;/u&gt; the same way as the modals:&lt;br&gt;1. You don't use &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; in questions and negations.&lt;br&gt;2. You don't use the third person singular s-inflection.&lt;br&gt;3. You don't use &lt;i&gt;to&lt;/i&gt; before the infinitive.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Examples:&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Can&lt;/b&gt; he come? &lt;b&gt;Need&lt;/b&gt; he come? &lt;b&gt;Dare&lt;/b&gt; he come?&lt;br&gt;&lt;/i&gt;1. NOT: &lt;i&gt;Does he can come? &lt;/i&gt;(Wrong!!!)&lt;br&gt;2. NOT: &lt;i&gt;Cans he come? Needs he come? Dares he come?&lt;/i&gt; (Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!)&lt;br&gt;3. NOT: &lt;i&gt;Can he to come? Need he to come? &lt;/i&gt;(Wrong!!!)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You cannot use &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; in the past tense at all in the above way, but &lt;i&gt;dare&lt;/i&gt; is sometimes possible in the past tense as well:&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;He dared not do it.&lt;/i&gt; (Or: &lt;i&gt;He didn't dare to do it.&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers&lt;br&gt;CB&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Proud</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Proud/2/vkjnb/Post.htm#386037</link><pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:21:28 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:386037</guid><dc:creator>whl626</dc:creator><description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="txt4"&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;CalifJim wrote:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;this also at the same time tell people that you may not feel proud NOW living in Malaysia since you use past tense.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;whl626,&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;A statement in the past tense does not imply the negation of the same statement in the present tense.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;See &lt;a href="/English/Post/vjvmj/Post.htm"&gt;Post:379670&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;CJ&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I know but comparing the simple present and simple past. The former is much better whereas the latter has to go with other sentences in the past. Otherwise, it does give a sense that what you felt in the past may not be consistent with what you feel at present. &lt;img src="/emoticons/emotion-1.gif" alt="Smile [:)]" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Proud</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Proud/vkjvw/post.htm#385891</link><pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:19:03 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:385891</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;this also at the same time tell people that you may not feel
proud NOW living in Malaysia since you use past tense.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;whl626,&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
A statement in the past tense does not imply the negation of the same statement in the present tense.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
See &lt;a href="/English/Post/vjvmj/Post.htm"&gt;Post:379670&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
CJ&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: &amp;quot;Carol was one of my sister's best friend.&amp;quot; Still friends?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/CarolSistersBestFriendStill-Friends/2/vjgzc/Post.htm#380122</link><pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:30:58 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:380122</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;That was my sister's best friend, Carol.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br&gt;
As used in your little dialog, this is a perfect example that saying &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; does not necessarily mean &lt;i&gt;no longer is&lt;/i&gt; -- or, in more general terms, that the use of the past tense does not imply the negation of the present tense.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
CJ&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: regarding question of general's form of negation?pls tell me</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/RegardingQuestionGeneralsForm-NegationTell/bwcbh/post.htm#123427</link><pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:50:46 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:123427</guid><dc:creator>Flying Pig</dc:creator><description>&lt;P&gt;i am confused in whether add "to" or not&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;sometimes,we say : go to bed,go to cinema,go to party,go to&amp;nbsp;school......there are more expression as it,why donot add "to"in that sentence when we say "go there"?tell me the reason pls?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;other question?it is a past tense in this sentence,also,it is a question,we&amp;nbsp;put &amp;nbsp;auxil.v. "did" in the head of sentence,why do we use the verb.of original shape in back but to keep the consistent as head?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;help me,thank you.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: What does &amp;quot;ill-kempt&amp;quot; mean?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatDoesIllKemptMean/qjqm/post.htm#81493</link><pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:42:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:81493</guid><dc:creator>Pemmican</dc:creator><description>"kempt" is an old past tense and past participle form of the verb "to comb".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The noun 'comb' has originally been "kamb", a verb "kambjan" has been derived. The "j" caused Umlaut a---&gt;e, the Old English form of the verb became 'kemban', pt and pp: 'kempt'.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Later on 'kemban' was replaced by the regular form "to comb" (simply derived from the new noun "comb"), but the old past participle 'kempt' survived especially in its negation "unkempt". &lt;br /&gt;(----&gt; Look up "unkempt" in your dictionary.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hope, I could help!&lt;br /&gt;Cheers&lt;br /&gt;-Pemmican&lt;br /&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>