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&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;1 main verbs; lexical verbs (all verbs which are not
auxiliaries or modals) &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2 action verbs; event verbs; dynamic verbs (a verb which can
be used in continuous tenses) i.e. eat, run, talk&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3 state of being verbs; existence verbs; state verbs;
stative verbs; static verbs (a verb which describes a state and is not usually
used in a continuous tense) i.e. be, own, know&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;4 regular verbs (a verb that has four forms and follows the
normal rules)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;5 irregular verbs; strong verbs (a verb not following the
normal rules for inflection)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;6 auxiliary and modal verbs (which make up verbal phrases) â
23 in total&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;7 linking verbs; copulative verbs; copulas (a verb which
links the subject and complement of a clause) i.e. It is warm today.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;8 transitive verbs (a verb used to talk about an action or
event that involves more than one person or thing, and so is followed by an
object) i.e. Sheâs wasting her money. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;9 intransitive verbs (a verb used to talk about an action or
event that only involved the subject and so has no object) i.e. She arrived. &lt;/p&gt;







&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;10 multiword verbs&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;a type 1 â intransitive [phrasal
verbs; adverb particle&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;b type 2 â transitive (inseparable)
[prepositional verbs; preposition particles]&lt;/p&gt;





&lt;p&gt;c type 3 â transitive (separable) [phrasal
verbs; adverb particle]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;d type 4 â transitive (with two
inseparable particles) [phrasal-prepositional verbs;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; first particle is
an adverb, second particle is a preposition]&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;11 compound verbs&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;12 delexical verbs (a verb which has very little meaning in
itself but is used with an object to describe an action) i.e. She gave a small
cry.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;13 ditransitive verbs (a verb which can have both a direct
and indirect object) i.e. She gave me a kiss. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;14 ergative verbs (a verb which can be used transitively to
focus on the performer of the action, or intransitively to focus on the thing
affected by the action) i.e. He boiled the water. The water boiled. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;15 reporting verbs; performance verbs; performative verbs (a
verb used with a quote or a reported clause to describe what people say or
think) i.e. suggest, say, wonder&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;16 reciprocal verbs (a verb which describes an action
involving two people doing the same thing to each other) i.e. They met in the
street. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;17 reflexive verbs (a verb which is typically used with a
reflexive pronoun) i.e. Donât cut yourself with that knife.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;18 defective verbs (a verb without all the inflected forms
of a regular verb) i.e. modals &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;19 finite and non-finite&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;a infinitives&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;b gerunds; verbal nouns&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;c participles&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;20 catenative verbs (a verb that takes other verb forms as
objects; found at the head of a series of linked constructions) i.e. We agreed
to try to decide to stop eating snacks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;21 causative verbs (a verb that designates the action
necessary to cause another action to happen) i.e. The devil made me do it. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;</description></item><item><title>Re: Separable &amp;amp; Inseparable Phrasal Verbs</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/SeparableInseparablePhrasalVerbs/zdvrx/post.htm#433514</link><pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:51:44 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:433514</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>This &lt;a href="/English/Post/dbcwx/Post.htm"&gt;Post:256204&lt;/a&gt; may or may not be useful, as it is on a similar topic, but not the exact same one.&lt;br&gt;
Check it out, noting later in the same thread:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
"There are a number of particles (&lt;i&gt;up, down, in, out, on, off, away, back&lt;/i&gt;) which should make us very suspicious that we are dealing with a separable phrasal verb, and a number of them (&lt;i&gt;with, without, by, for, at, across, of, from, to, into&lt;/i&gt;) which almost certainly indicate a prepositional verb."&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
CJ&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Two grammar questions...</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/TwoGrammarQuestions/vmnzr/post.htm#396882</link><pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:19:08 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:396882</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>You should read this &lt;a href="/English/Post/dbcwx/Post.htm"&gt;Post:256204&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Here is just a part of it:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;

There are a number of particles (&lt;i&gt;up, down, in, out, on, off, away, back&lt;/i&gt;) which should make us very suspicious that we are dealing with a separable phrasal verb, and a number of them (&lt;i&gt;with, without, by, for, at, across, of, from, to, into&lt;/i&gt;) which almost certainly indicate a prepositional verb.&amp;nbsp; But there are some strange cases!&lt;br&gt;
_____&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;

&lt;&gt;a. Pick up it (INCORRECT)&amp;nbsp; &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Phrasal verb &lt;i&gt;pick up&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Object &lt;i&gt;it&lt;/i&gt; must precede &lt;i&gt;up&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
b. Pick it up (correct)&lt;br&gt;
c. Pick up the phone (correct)&lt;br&gt;
d. Pick the phone up (correct)
&lt;p&gt;Example two:&lt;/p&gt;


&lt;&gt;e. Looking at it (correct)&lt;br&gt;
f. Looking it at (INCORRECT)&amp;nbsp; &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Prepositional verb &lt;i&gt;look at&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Object &lt;i&gt;it&lt;/i&gt; must follow &lt;i&gt;at&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
g. James handed&amp;nbsp;in the report&amp;nbsp;(the report is "it")&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;(correct)&lt;br&gt;
h. James handed it in (it is "the report")&amp;nbsp; (correct)&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
i.&amp;nbsp; James handed in it. (INCORRECT)&amp;nbsp; &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Phrasal verb &lt;i&gt;hand in&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Object &lt;i&gt;it&lt;/i&gt; must precede &lt;i&gt;in&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
CJ&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Differ between a preposition and an adverb in a  phrasal verb.</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/DifferBetweenPrepositionAdverb-PhrasalVerb/2/dpbxv/Post.htm#324789</link><pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:59:03 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:324789</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>I've just realized that just as a phrasal verb can be a combination of
a verb + preposition OR adverb, a ...... verb (which is not a phrasal
verb) can also be followed by a preposition OR adverb. So I shouldn't
call it a "prepositional verb". What do we call it then? &lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;A phrasal verb is a verb and an adverb (also
called a particle).&amp;nbsp; If it is composed of a verb and a preposition
(followed by the object of the preposition), then it is not a phrasal
verb.&lt;br&gt;
Among the verbs which are not phrasal verbs are the majority of verbs -
ordinary verbs.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br&gt;
Some phrasal verbs and some non-phrasal verbs have the
property that they are virtually always followed by the &lt;u&gt;same&lt;/u&gt;
preposition (followed by an object of that preposition).&amp;nbsp; This
kind of verb is called a prepositional verb.&amp;nbsp; Phrasal
prepositional verbs:&amp;nbsp; &lt;b&gt;come up with, look down on&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp; Non-phrasal prepositional verbs:&amp;nbsp; &lt;b&gt;rely on&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;b&gt;vouch for&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Just because a phrasal or non-phrasal verb is used with a preposition doesn't mean
it's a prepositional verb.&amp;nbsp; It's just
an ordinary verb (not a prepositional verb) if several different prepositions are possible with
the same verb.&amp;nbsp; (&lt;b&gt;go&lt;/b&gt; into the house, &lt;b&gt;go&lt;/b&gt; around the house, &lt;b&gt;go&lt;/b&gt; toward the house)&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Phrasal verbs can be transitive or intransitive.&amp;nbsp; (They &lt;b&gt;fell out&lt;/b&gt;.&amp;nbsp; We &lt;b&gt;threw out&lt;/b&gt; &lt;u&gt;the trash&lt;/u&gt;.)&lt;br&gt;
Prepositional verbs can be transitive or intransitive.&amp;nbsp; (I &lt;b&gt;rely on&lt;/b&gt; you.&amp;nbsp; I &lt;b&gt;congratulate&lt;/b&gt; &lt;u&gt;you&lt;/u&gt; &lt;b&gt;on&lt;/b&gt; your success.)&lt;br&gt;
And, of course, all other ordinary verbs can be transitive or intransitive.&amp;nbsp; (I &lt;b&gt;slept&lt;/b&gt;.&amp;nbsp; We &lt;b&gt;found&lt;/b&gt; &lt;u&gt;the book&lt;/u&gt;.)&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Phrasal verbs can be idiomatic, and they usually are.&amp;nbsp; (&lt;b&gt;bring up&lt;/b&gt; children)&lt;br&gt;
But phrasal verbs can be literal as well.&amp;nbsp; (&lt;b&gt;bring in&lt;/b&gt; the dog)&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Prepositional verbs can be idiomatic.&amp;nbsp; (&lt;b&gt;come across&lt;/b&gt; an unusual flower)&lt;br&gt;
But they are more often literal.&amp;nbsp; (&lt;b&gt;cure&lt;/b&gt; the child &lt;b&gt;of&lt;/b&gt; measles, &lt;b&gt;approve of&lt;/b&gt; that behavior)&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
The line between literal and idiomatic is rather blurry.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
eg 1: &lt;br&gt;
a) Charles came into a fortune = phrasal verb (= idiomatic) &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;I'd say prepositional, intransitive, idiomatic.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
b)
Charles came into the room = prepositional verb (and not a phrasal verb
since the preposition is not part of the verb, it's part of the
adverbial, right?)&amp;nbsp; &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;I'd say ordinary, intransitive, literal:&amp;nbsp; came into the room, came out of the room, came near the room, ...&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
eg 2: &lt;br&gt;
a) I've been running up debts these days = phrasal verb&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Yes.&amp;nbsp; Phrasal, transitive, idiomatic&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
b)
I run up to get my Dady's wallet = (verb + adverb) â&amp;gt; "run up" here
is neither a&amp;nbsp;phrasal verb nor a prepositional verb, so what is it?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Interpretation
1:&amp;nbsp; Ordinary verb with an adverb of direction, intransitive,
literal.&amp;nbsp; Interpretation 2:&amp;nbsp; Phrasal with "goal" particle
instead of the usual "neutral" particle, intransitive, literal.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/font&gt;
&amp;lt;&amp;gt;to look into a subject matter&amp;nbsp; &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Prepositional, intransitive, idiomatic.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
to come into a fortune&amp;nbsp;(phrasal
verbs = idiomatic meaning =&amp;gt; inseparable, but I know that "into" is
a preposition)&amp;nbsp; &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Prepositional, intransitive, idiomatic.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
to look into the hole&amp;nbsp; &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Ordinary, intransitive, literal.&amp;nbsp; look into the hole, look around the hole, look through the hole, look across the hole&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
to come into the room (prepositional verbs? = literal meaning = inseparable) &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Ordinary, intransitive, literal.&amp;nbsp; come into ..., come out of ..., come toward ..., ...&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
to talk someone into something = phrasal verb (idiomatic) or prepositional verb (literal)? &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;Prepositional, transitive, borderline idiomatic/literal.&amp;nbsp; (Literally talking, but "talk into" as "persuade".)&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
CJ&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
(By the way, the transitive phrasal verbs, as defined and described
above, are always "separable".&amp;nbsp; And they are the only ones that
are separable.)&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Differ between a preposition and an adverb in a  phrasal verb.</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/DifferBetweenPrepositionAdverb-PhrasalVerb/2/dxpmx/Post.htm#323898</link><pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 09:28:34 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:323898</guid><dc:creator>Hela</dc:creator><description>&lt;P&gt;Sorry Jim, the term "unreal phrasal verb" doesn't exist I've just made it up. What I wanted to do is to make the difference between verbs&amp;nbsp;with an&amp;nbsp;idiomatic meaning&amp;nbsp;(= phrasal verbs) and verbs with a straightforward meaning (name ??)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I know though that in grammar we call "phrasal verbs" verbs with an adverbial particle and "prepositional verbs" verbs with a prepositional particle. But this is not my point.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;eg: to look into a subject matter / to come into a fortune&amp;nbsp;(phrasal verbs = idiomatic meaning =&amp;gt; inseparable, but I know that "into" is a preposition)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; to look into the hole / to come into the room (prepositional verbs? = literal meaning = inseparable)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; to talk someone into something = phrasal verb (idiomatic) or prepositional verb (literal)?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Have a nice Sunday &lt;img src="/emoticons/emotion-1.gif" alt="Smile [:)]" /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Phrasal verbs</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/PhrasalVerbs/dnddp/post.htm#315365</link><pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 03:33:43 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:315365</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>How to generalize?&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
In the intransitive case there's no choice about placement of the object because there is no object.&lt;br&gt;
In the transitive case there are three correct ways to structure the words.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;
pick up the pencil; pick the pencil up; pick it up&lt;br&gt;

throw out the trash; throw the trash out; throw it out&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Basically, the intransitives are inseparable and are prepositional
verbs; the transitives are separable and are true phrasal verbs.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
You might be interested in this. &lt;a href="/English/Post/dbdkc/Post.htm"&gt;Post:256515&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Note in particular:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;

There are a number of particles (&lt;i&gt;up, down, in, out, on, off, away, back&lt;/i&gt;) which should make us very suspicious that we are dealing with a separable phrasal verb, and a number of them (&lt;i&gt;with, without, by, for, at, across, of, from, to, into&lt;/i&gt;) which almost certainly indicate a prepositional verb.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
CJ&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: all the way home</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/AllTheWayHome/dcjdl/post.htm#263052</link><pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:13:41 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:263052</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>&lt;i&gt;all the way home&lt;/i&gt; is an adverbial phrase indicating &lt;i&gt;during/along the entire trip/path/way to their home&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp; It is a curious mix of adverb of place (path, actually) and adverb of time (period, actually).&amp;nbsp; Individually, &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; is an adverb of degree (how much of &lt;i&gt;the way&lt;/i&gt;?), &lt;i&gt;the way&lt;/i&gt; is an article and noun used adverbially, and &lt;i&gt;home&lt;/i&gt; is a noun used adverbially (to where?).&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;i&gt;There was a fly in my soup.&lt;/i&gt; (&lt;i&gt;A fly was in my soup.&lt;/i&gt;) &lt;i&gt;I [saw / realized / understood] that this was a fact (was true).&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp; Hence, &lt;i&gt;I saw that (there was a fly in my soup).&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp; You can leave out the complementizer &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt;:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;I saw there was a fly in my soup.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;i&gt;to get to&lt;/i&gt; in &lt;i&gt;to get to school&lt;/i&gt; is not a phrasal verb.&amp;nbsp; It's a prepositional verb.&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;to get to (school) = to go to and successfully arrive at (school).&amp;nbsp; (to get) (to school), not (to get to) (school).&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
By the way, phrasal verbs consisting of a verb and &lt;i&gt;to&lt;/i&gt; are very rare.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Does that help?&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
CJ&lt;i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Differ between a preposition and an adverb in a  phrasal verb.</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/DifferBetweenPrepositionAdverb-PhrasalVerb/2/dbdkc/Post.htm#256515</link><pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:15:17 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:256515</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>&lt;i&gt;They set a riot off&lt;/i&gt; seems acceptable, even though our preference seems to be for &lt;i&gt;They set off a riot&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp; (Note the article.)&amp;nbsp; Here it is the selectional criteria that may be interfering.&amp;nbsp; Substitute &lt;i&gt;bomb&lt;/i&gt; for&lt;i&gt; riot&lt;/i&gt;, and both &lt;i&gt;They set off a bomb&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;They set a bomb off&lt;/i&gt;
are fine, neither seeming to be necessarily much preferred over the
other.&amp;nbsp; In many cases, however, there is a preferred word order even
when two different possibilities are present.&lt;br&gt;

&lt;br&gt;

It is almost the mark of a truly phrasal verb (transitive) that it is separable.&lt;br&gt;

It is almost the mark of a truly prepositional verb that it is inseparable.&lt;br&gt;

&lt;br&gt;

Yet, there are indeterminate, shadowy cases - cases where the verb
seems more phrasal (and idiomatic) than prepositional and yet is
inseparable and acts in some ways like a prepositional verb.&lt;br&gt;

&lt;br&gt;

&lt;i&gt;How did he &lt;u&gt;come by&lt;/u&gt; that fortune?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; How did he &lt;u&gt;come by&lt;/u&gt; it?&amp;nbsp; *How did he &lt;u&gt;come it by&lt;/u&gt;?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;

&lt;br&gt;

There are a number of particles (&lt;i&gt;up, down, in, out, on, off, away, back&lt;/i&gt;) which should make us very suspicious that we are dealing with a separable phrasal verb, and a number of them (&lt;i&gt;with, without, by, for, at, across, of, from, to, into&lt;/i&gt;) which almost certainly indicate a prepositional verb.&amp;nbsp; But there are some strange cases!&lt;br&gt;

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CJ</description></item><item><title>Re: Differ between a preposition and an adverb in a  phrasal verb.</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/DifferBetweenPrepositionAdverb-PhrasalVerb/dbdkr/post.htm#256513</link><pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:12:59 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:256513</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>&lt;i&gt;They set a riot off&lt;/i&gt; seems acceptable, even though our preference seems to be for &lt;i&gt;They set off a riot&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp; (Note the article.)&amp;nbsp; Here it is the selectional criteria that may be interfering.&amp;nbsp; Substitute &lt;i&gt;bomb&lt;/i&gt; for&lt;i&gt; riot&lt;/i&gt;, and both &lt;i&gt;They set off a bomb&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;They set a bomb off&lt;/i&gt;
are fine, neither seeming to be necessarily much preferred over the
other.&amp;nbsp; In many cases, however, there is a preferred word order
even when two different possibilities are present.&lt;br&gt;
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It is almost the mark of a truly phrasal verb (transitive) that it is separable.&lt;br&gt;
It is almost the mark of a truly prepositional verb that it is inseparable.&lt;br&gt;
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Yet, there are indeterminate, shadowy cases - cases where the verb
seems more phrasal (and idiomatic) than prepositional and yet is
inseparable and acts in some ways like a prepositional verb.&lt;br&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;How did he &lt;u&gt;come by&lt;/u&gt; that fortune?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; How did he &lt;u&gt;come by&lt;/u&gt; it?&amp;nbsp; *How did he &lt;u&gt;come it by&lt;/u&gt;?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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There are a number of particles (&lt;i&gt;up, down, in, out, on, off, away, back&lt;/i&gt;) which should make us very suspicious that we are dealing with a separable phrasal verb, and a number of them (&lt;i&gt;with, without, by, for, at, across, of, from, to, into&lt;/i&gt;) which almost certainly indicate a prepositional verb.&amp;nbsp; But there are some strange cases!&lt;br&gt;
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CJ&lt;br&gt;
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&lt;br&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Differ between a preposition and an adverb in a  phrasal verb.</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/DifferBetweenPrepositionAdverb-PhrasalVerb/dbcwx/post.htm#256204</link><pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:12:24 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:256204</guid><dc:creator>CalifJim</dc:creator><description>What you call a "phrasal verb with a preposition" doesn't seem correct.&lt;br&gt;

A verb-plus-preposition structure like &lt;i&gt;expand on&lt;/i&gt; is usually called a prepositional verb.&lt;br&gt;

Only a verb-plus-adverb structure like &lt;i&gt;catch on&lt;/i&gt; is usually called a phrasal verb.&lt;br&gt;

These are the terms I'll use below.&lt;br&gt;

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In the case of an intransitive like &lt;i&gt;catch on&lt;/i&gt;, nothing resembling an object follows &lt;i&gt;on&lt;/i&gt;, so it can't be a prepositional verb.&amp;nbsp; It's a phrasal verb, not a prepositional verb.&lt;br&gt;

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&lt;i&gt;It didn't take long for the hula-hoop craze to catch on in the 1950's.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;

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The more difficult cases are when the phrasal verb (if it is one) has an object.&lt;br&gt;

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&lt;table width="85%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="quoteTable"&gt;&lt;table width="100%"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"&gt;How do we identify &lt;strike&gt;that&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;u&gt;whether&lt;/u&gt; the word following the verb in a phrasal verb is an adverb or a preposition?&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br&gt;

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Let's use the example found in Radford's book &lt;i&gt;Transformational Grammar&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br&gt;

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&lt;i&gt;The drunks would get off the bus.&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; (prepositional verb)&lt;br&gt;

&lt;i&gt;The drunks would put off the customers.&lt;/i&gt; (phrasal verb)&lt;br&gt;

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Here are some tests:&lt;br&gt;

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1. If you can substitute other PPs (prepositional phrases) and get a
parallel meaning, it's a prepositional verb.&amp;nbsp; If you get nonsense or a new
idiomatic meaning, it's a phrasal verb.&lt;br&gt;

If the verb component of the phrase has a more-or-less constant
meaning no matter what follows, it's a prepositional verb.&amp;nbsp; If the
meaning changes unpredictably, it's a phrasal verb.&lt;br&gt;

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&lt;i&gt;The drunks would get off the bus.&amp;nbsp; The drunks would get on the bus.&lt;br&gt;The
drunks would put off the customers.&amp;nbsp; ???The drunks would put on
the customers.&amp;nbsp; The drunks would put on dirty clothes.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;

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2.&amp;nbsp; If the range of complements that go with the verb phrase are
similar with different prepositions, it's a prepositional verb.&amp;nbsp;
If the complements that make sense with the verb phrase change when you
change the particle, it's a phrasal verb.&lt;br&gt;

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&lt;i&gt;The drunks would get off the bus, off the train, off the plane.&lt;br&gt;
The drunks would get on the bus, on the train, on the plane.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
The drunks would put off the customers, put off the shoppers, put off the people nearby.&lt;br&gt;
The drunks would put on dirty clothes, strange hats, wild-looking ties.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;

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3.&amp;nbsp; If you can move the whole structure that looks like a PP to
another part of the sentence, it's a prepositional verb.&amp;nbsp; If you
can't move the PP, then it's not really a PP, and you have a phrasal
verb.&lt;br&gt;

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&lt;i&gt;Off the bus the drunks would get.&lt;br&gt;
*Off the customers the drunks would put.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;

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4.&amp;nbsp; If you can use the PP as a fragment in the answer to a question, it's a prepositional verb; else, it's a phrasal verb.&lt;br&gt;

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&lt;i&gt;-- Did they get off the train?&lt;br&gt;
-- No, off the bus.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
-- Did they put off the waitresses?&lt;br&gt;
-- *No, off the customers.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;

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5.&amp;nbsp; If you can insert a verb-phrase adverb like quickly, slowly,
or completely between the verb and the particle, then it's a
prepositional verb; else, it's a phrasal verb.&lt;br&gt;

&lt;br&gt;

&lt;i&gt;The drunks got slowly off the bus.&lt;br&gt;
*The drunks put completely off the customers.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;

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6.&amp;nbsp; If you can use &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; to combine the PP with another PP just like it, it's a prepositional verb; else it's a phrasal verb.&lt;br&gt;

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&lt;i&gt;They got off the bus and off the train.&lt;br&gt;
*They put off the waitresses and off the customers.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;

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7.&amp;nbsp; If you can omit the verb, keeping the particle, in an
elliptical construction, it's a prepositional verb; else it's a phrasal
verb.&lt;br&gt;

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&lt;i&gt;Drunks would get off the bus, and junkies off the train.&lt;br&gt;
*Drunks would put off the customers, and junkies off the waitresses.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;

&lt;br&gt;
8. If you can use a pronomial object in the PP without placing the
pronoun before the particle, it's a prepositional verb; else it's a
phrasal verb.&lt;br&gt;

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&lt;i&gt;The trouble with the bus was that drunks would want to &lt;u&gt;get off it&lt;/u&gt; every few miles.&lt;br&gt;
*What worries us about the customers is whether drunks would &lt;u&gt;put off them&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/i&gt;(The reverse works as well.&amp;nbsp; When you place the pronoun before the
particle, only the phrasal verb will be correct in the intended
reading.)&lt;br&gt;

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&lt;i&gt;*The trouble with the bus was that drunks would want to &lt;u&gt;get it off&lt;/u&gt; every few miles.&lt;br&gt;
What worries us about the customers is whether drunks would &lt;u&gt;put them off&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;

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CJ</description></item></channel></rss>