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<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Search results for 'tag:Pronouns tag:Commas' matching tags 'Pronouns' and 'Commas'</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/search/pro.htm?q=tag%3aPronouns+tag%3aCommas&amp;tag=Pronouns,Commas&amp;orTags=0</link><description>Search results for 'tag:Pronouns tag:Commas' matching tags 'Pronouns' and 'Commas'</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>CSMOD (Build: 3191.21962)</generator><item><title>What does a comma do in these sentences?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/DoesCommaTheseSentences/gxljc/post.htm</link><pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:37:31 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:573242</guid><dc:creator>jazzmaster</dc:creator><description>Once again, I would like to hear your opinions.&lt;br /&gt;This time, it is &amp;quot;,&amp;quot; ...&amp;nbsp; yes, a comma.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#0000ff;"&gt;(A) She married a guy whom she met on the internet.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#0000ff;"&gt;(B) She married a guy, whom she met on the internet.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;... as you can see, the only difference between these two sentence is No.2 showing a &amp;quot;comma&amp;quot; in front of the relative pronoun &amp;quot;whom&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Questions:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ff0000;"&gt;1. What are differences in meanings of (A) and (B), if there is any?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ff0000;"&gt;2. Are these must be precisely differentiated in real-life usage?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I understand that one single comma could make a sentence have different meanings in certain cases.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, I would like know the effect of comma in these particular sentences, (A) and (B) above.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks in advance.</description></item><item><title>Re: it will or it is going to..?</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ItWillOrItIsGoingTo/gncxc/post.htm#565813</link><pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:29:59 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:565813</guid><dc:creator>Avangi</dc:creator><description>They&amp;#39;re all good.&amp;nbsp; The third one should be, &amp;quot;I think it is going to be &lt;span style="TEXT-DECORATION:underline;"&gt;raining&lt;/span&gt; soon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Be sure to capitalize the pronoun &amp;quot;I,&amp;quot; and the first word in every sentence.&amp;nbsp; Also you need punctuation at the end of each sentence&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; a period in this case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All of your sentences are &amp;quot;comma splices.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; They should be two separate sentences, or should be joined by appropriate conjunctions, such as, &amp;quot;It is cloudy, and therefore I think it will rain.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You have a typo in the first sentence.&amp;nbsp; Use either &amp;quot;It&amp;#39;s&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;It is.&amp;quot;</description></item><item><title>that or which</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ThatOrWhich/glnhn/post.htm</link><pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:04:55 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:559058</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator><description>Hi,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I tried to find some good information of &amp;quot;which and that&amp;quot; distinction online and have acquired some good information, thanks to them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the suite101.com&amp;#39;s website with what I would call an online search phrase of &amp;quot;That or Which? Don&amp;#39;t Misuse These Relative Pronouns.&amp;quot; it had this as an exception to the usual rule of &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; for a restrictive clause and&lt;em&gt; which&lt;/em&gt; for a non-restrictive clause.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;h3&gt;Exception to the Rule&lt;/h3&gt; &lt;p&gt;Like a number of grammatical rules in English as well as other languages, this one has an exception. The exception should only be used when a sentence has more than one dependent clause or when âthatâ has been used in another role. Take a look at the following example.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;That idea, which has been discussed thoroughly, no longer needs to be addressed.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;If âthis,â âthat,â âthese,â or âthoseâ has already been used to either as an adjective or to introduce the first clause, use âwhichâ to introduce the next one, whether the information is essential or nonessential.&lt;/p&gt;1. Can you tell me what it means by its last sentence?&lt;br /&gt;2. I think I heard&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;that &amp;#39;which&amp;#39; is used for a restrictive clause that doesn&amp;#39;t have commas&lt;/span&gt;. What confuses me is that it seems to be the words that describe the recommendation for the use of &amp;#39;that&amp;#39;. I think I also heard that &amp;#39;which&amp;#39; can and should be used for some restrictive clause cases -- and with which I agree.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;</description></item><item><title>Re: 1)How can we correct the sentence:</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/CorrectSentence/glwhj/post.htm#557609</link><pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:25:12 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557609</guid><dc:creator>Mister Micawber</dc:creator><description>.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;The answer was e. But I have never seen a &amp;quot;because&amp;quot; after comma-&lt;strong&gt;- A comma can appear after because if the clause is less restrictive.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;2) The meaning of his words was even more elusive in his own country than either Europe &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;or Latin America &lt;/span&gt;( the underscore is a wrong phrase)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Can we replace the underscored phrase with &amp;quot;either in Europe or Latin Am&amp;quot; or &amp;quot; in either Europe or Latin Am&amp;quot;?--&lt;strong&gt; I&amp;#39;d use the latter, but something is fishy about your underlining.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;3) On my preparing for exam, I came up with this sentence:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Spot the error:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Kelly &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;is proud&lt;/span&gt; of &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;her &lt;/span&gt;own abilities &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;to mediate&lt;/span&gt; disputes &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;more than&lt;/span&gt; any of her other strength. &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;No error&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;The answer was C ( as the book says) but here is its explanation:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;quot;Does the subordinate clause fit within the context of the sentenc? ( A) uses the correct verb tense and the verb agrees w/ subject Kelly. (B) shows the correct feminine sing. pronoun, referring to Kelly (C) shows the correct infi. form of the verb mediate.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;So what is the answer??-- &lt;strong&gt;There are a lot of errors in what you typed.&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt; D is wrong&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;4) here is part of a math question I couldn&amp;#39;t find out why:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Which is the graph of y= -(x-2)2 (2 outside the bracket means square)?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Graphs drawn below.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;And here was the solution:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;If&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;f(x) = -x2 , the given equation, y= -(x-2)2, represents f(x-2)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;How come they got the last line?-&lt;strong&gt;- I have no idea.&amp;nbsp; This is a grammar forum.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description></item><item><title>1)How can we correct the sentence:</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/CorrectSentence/glwhd/post.htm</link><pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:19:06 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:557603</guid><dc:creator>Belly</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;1)How can we correct the sentence:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;When the eggs hatch, the young turtles go off to take care of themselves, being that female turtles do not nurture their young&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;a) add &amp;quot;on the other hand&amp;quot; at the beginning&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;b) insert &amp;quot; as a result&amp;quot; at the bginning&amp;quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;c) change the comma to semicolon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;d) change &amp;quot;hatch&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;hatched&amp;quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;e) change &amp;quot;being that&amp;quot;-&amp;gt; &amp;quot;because&amp;quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;The answer was e. But I have never seen a &amp;quot;because&amp;quot; after comma&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;2) The meaning of his words was even more elusive in his own country than either Europe &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;or Latin America &lt;/span&gt;( the underscore is a wrong phrase)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Can we replace the underscored phrase with &amp;quot;either in Europe or Latin Am&amp;quot; or &amp;quot; in either Europe or Latin Am&amp;quot;?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;3) On my preparing for exam, I came up with this sentence:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Spot the error:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Kelly &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;is proud&lt;/span&gt; of &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;her &lt;/span&gt;own abilities &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;to mediate&lt;/span&gt; disputes &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;more than&lt;/span&gt; any of her other strength. &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;No error&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;The answer was C ( as the book says) but here is its explanation:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;quot;Does the subordinate clause fit within the context of the sentenc? ( A) uses the correct verb tense and the verb agrees w/ subject Kelly. (B) shows the correct feminine sing. pronoun, referring to Kelly (C) shows the correct infi. form of the verb mediate.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;So what is the answer??&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;4) here is part of a math question I couldn&amp;#39;t find out why:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Which is the graph of y= -(x-2)2 (2 outside the bracket means square)?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Graphs drawn below.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;And here was the solution:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;If&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;f(x) = -x2 , the given equation, y= -(x-2)2, represents f(x-2)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;How come they got the last line?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description></item><item><title>each</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/Each/gjpdz/post.htm</link><pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:38:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:549734</guid><dc:creator>Taka</dc:creator><description>&lt;i&gt;The mind is packed with high-tech systems &lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt;each&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt; contrived to overcome its own obstacles.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Grammatically, what is the &amp;#39;each&amp;#39; above? A pronoun? If so, why without a comma in front as:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;The mind is packed with high-tech systems&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt;, each&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt; contrived to overcome its own obstacles.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;? &lt;br /&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: to which</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/ToWhich/gjrrk/post.htm#545353</link><pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:01:35 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:545353</guid><dc:creator>Cool Breeze</dc:creator><description>&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;To&lt;/font&gt; &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;which&lt;/font&gt;, &lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;in&lt;/font&gt; &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;which&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/i&gt; etc.consist of a &lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;preposition&lt;/font&gt; and a &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;relative pronoun&lt;/font&gt;. The preposition is usually determined by a verb, noun or adjective. In informal style the preposition is often placed at the end of the relative clause. Examples:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;This is the house &lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;in&lt;/font&gt; &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;which&lt;/font&gt; he lives. This is the house [&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;which/that&lt;/font&gt;] he lives &lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;in&lt;/font&gt;.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The preposition is &lt;i&gt;in&lt;/i&gt; because that preposition is used with house in this context and meaning: &lt;i&gt;He lives &lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;in&lt;/font&gt; this house.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I bought the book &lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;about&lt;/font&gt; &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;which&lt;/font&gt; you told me yesterday. I bought the book [&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;which/that&lt;/font&gt;] you told me&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt; about&lt;/font&gt; yesterday.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The preposition is &lt;i&gt;about&lt;/i&gt; because that preposition is used when we &lt;i&gt;tell&lt;/i&gt; somebody &lt;i&gt;about&lt;/i&gt; something: &lt;i&gt;He told me&lt;/i&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt; &lt;/font&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;about&lt;/font&gt; his problems.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Where&lt;/i&gt; is sometimes possible instead of &lt;i&gt;to which&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;in which&lt;/i&gt;, especially when the intended meaning is that the &lt;u&gt;place&lt;/u&gt; of something is mentioned:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Take this kettle to the kitchen where it belongs.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But: &lt;i&gt;Ages ago, this island was occupied by Great Britain, &lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;to &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;which&lt;/font&gt; it belongs even now / &lt;font color="#0000ff"&gt;which&lt;/font&gt; it belongs &lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;to&lt;/font&gt; even now.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Note that there is a comma in the last sentence. A comma is needed for a certain type of relative clauses. Use the Search box to find out more about them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;CB &lt;br /&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: malnutrition that's becoming more and more widespread</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/MalnutritionBecomingWidespread/ghwhc/post.htm#537950</link><pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:42:46 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:537950</guid><dc:creator>Cool Breeze</dc:creator><description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;New2grammar&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Dozens of UN humanitarian workers are exposed to risk on their job every day. A good example is truck drivers who deliver much needed food to remote villages in poor countries to combat malnutrition&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;&lt;b&gt;, which is&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt; becoming more and more widespread. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hi N2G&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It has become more and more fashionable to use hyphens in English and therefore some might put a hyphen between much and needed but I don&amp;#39;t think that is necessary. I wouldn&amp;#39;t object to one, either. Clearly, the relative clause is a non-defining one and thus a comma is needed, which means that &lt;i&gt;which&lt;/i&gt; is the correct pronoun.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;CB &lt;br /&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Abnormality of motor</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/AbnormalityOfMotor/gvxqr/post.htm#525096</link><pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:13:10 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:525096</guid><dc:creator>Goodman</dc:creator><description>&lt;strong style="COLOR:#8080ff;"&gt;&amp;lt;&amp;lt;&amp;lt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;The abnormality of fan motor for computer no.1, which motor tripped as the operating temperature at 28C, has been&amp;nbsp;vertified by technician.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;Yes, the sentence sounded&amp;nbsp;bumpy and stiff, aside from grammatical mistakes. Technical report needs to be clear and accurate. That&amp;#39;s the reason I gave you the breakdown and the construction possibilities.&lt;br /&gt;Tripping - is a&amp;nbsp;terminology&amp;nbsp;used sepcifically in the electrical field to mean&amp;nbsp;&amp;quot;open circuit&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp;by default. A motor can trip the breaker but does not trip itself. Unless it&amp;#39;s a thermally protected motor which is not the case in personal computers. There are bigger cooling fans used in mainframe computers and large electronics which have resettable fuse or circuit breakers. &lt;br /&gt;The relative clause usually requires no &amp;quot;comma&amp;quot;. &lt;br /&gt;Depending on the construction of the sentence, &amp;quot;Which&amp;quot; usually links the noun or pronoun to the clause. i.e. I&amp;#39;ve just moved to a new &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="COLOR:#60bf00;"&gt;apartment which is&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; only 10 minutes from my office.&lt;br /&gt;In your constrcution, &amp;quot;fan motor&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;computer&amp;quot; were incorrectly linked&amp;nbsp;to the realtive clause, in my opinion.</description></item><item><title>Re: , that/which are intended to help smokers quit</title><link>http://www.englishforums.com/English/IntendedSmokersQuit/gvnjx/post.htm#524702</link><pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:53:34 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="true">946f00bb-57d3-4b7b-a9a2-059b5341af52:524702</guid><dc:creator>Cool Breeze</dc:creator><description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="/Themes/englishforums/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Angliholic&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Besides World No Tobacco Day, there are several similar holidays, such as No Smoking Day in the UK and the Great American Smokeout, &lt;b&gt;that/which&lt;/b&gt; are intended to help smokers quit.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hi all&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Both pronouns are possible, as Kooyeen says. The comma has nothing to do with the relative pronoun but is used because &lt;i&gt;such as No Smoking Day in the UK and the Great American Smokeout&lt;/i&gt; is set off with commas. No grammatical rule prevents the use of a comma before &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; if something else requires it. The same applies to &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; when it is a conjunction:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I knew that he had read the book.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But: &lt;i&gt;I knew that he had bought the book, that he had read it and that he had thrown it away after that.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;CB&amp;nbsp;</description></item></channel></rss>