Search results for 'tag:Pronouns tag:Indirect objects' matching tags 'Pronouns' and 'Indirect objects'

Re: Him killed I!

Huevos — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:32:13 GMT

Anonymous
Is that correct? it seems wrong

It's not wrong. Normally in English sentences are ordered "Subject (S), Verb (V), Indirect Object (IO), Direct Object (DO)" but can run OSV, and, where pronouns are used in substitution of either the subject or object (e.g. your sentence) there are no word order constraints so OVS is possible. That said, such a construction is pretty unusual and almost certainly would be limited to use in literature for effect.

Re: suggest

Avangi — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:51:39 GMT

I suggest taking a nap.

You can only get the pronoun in (indirect object) by making it the subject of a relative clause. I suggest [that] you take a nap. Then the whole clause is the direct object of "suggest."

I guess you could also use the "to me" form for the indirect object. The doctor suggested surgery to me. What would you suggest to me?

Probably people use your example because they think it should be parallel to "What do you want me to do?"

Re: Suggest

CalifJim — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:26:33 GMT

Avangi
The key is the verb and the context.

Learners often want to put an indirect object on suggest, recommend, and explain, and their near synonyms, all of which are either totally wrong or very awkward.

Here are some examples of the sorts of wrong uses I'm talking about:

Please suggest me what to do.

Sally has explained me the rules.

I didn't feel I could recommend you what to say.

They proposed us that we should wait a little longer.

I wonder if they could illustrate us the principle with a drawing.

One little lecture can't possibly clarify them how to do such a complex procedure.

The salesman offered me to refund my money.

All of them work if the indirect object pronoun is removed.

Re: Is it a subject relative?

miriam — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:02:36 GMT

Hello.

Relative clauses can only be (from a syntactic point of view) either post-modifiers of nouns/pronouns, or sentence modifiers. They are never objects; they don't modify verbs.

What can be subjects or objects, WITHIN the relative clauses themselves, are the relative pronouns used (who, that, which, etc.).

You provided the following examples: "The girl laughed at the boy who is bigger than her" and "The boy hit the girl who slept".

Both sentences could use some changes, but I will concentrate on what you're asking only.

In the first sentence, "who is bigger than her" is a restrictive relative clause acting as post-modifier of the noun "boy". The relative pronoun "who" is the subject of the relative clause.

Your second sentence is another example of the relative pronoun as subject of the relative clause. The clause is "who slept", with "who" as its subject.

Here are a couple of examples of relative clauses in which the relative pronoun acts as object:

1. "Where is the flower-pot (that I gave you last month)?" [that = direct object] (the subject of the clause is "I")

2. "The books (that are on the table) are Paul's." [that = subject (the books)]

3. "You don't know the man (to whom my sister sold her car)." [to whom = indirect object] (the subject of the clause is "my sister")

There are also cases in which the relative pronoun is preceded by a preposition but you're not in the presence of an indirect object. In such cases, what you'll have is an adjunct (or adverbial), as in the following sentence:

4. "Chemistry is a subject which I've always had problems with." [here, "with which" is neither subject nor object, but an adjunct/adverbial]

You can remove "which" (though not the preposition) from sentence #4, and the sentence will still make sense: "Chemistry is a subject I've always had problems with".

One good way of telling whether the relative pronoun is acting as object (direct or indirect) or subject in the relative clause is trying to remove the pronoun in question from the clause. If you do, and the sentence still makes sense, that will most probably mean that the relative pronoun is the object of the clause (watch out for adjuncts, though). If you can't remove the pronoun, that will mean it's the subject (of the relative clause). Have a look at my examples and give this a try. You won't have a correct sentence in #2 if you remove the relative proboun, but you can certainly remove it in the other three examples. You'll have to make a minor change in sentence #3, though.

See if you can do it and what you come up with.

I hope this helps.

Miriam.

Re: About the meaning of "where"

Velimir — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:11:58 GMT

I'll try to give some information on this as a non-professional.This is how it looks like in the serbian language,and I suppose,it is very similar in all other slavic languages and also the latin language.

For indicating a location the locative case of a noun is used.If the english language had similar declension of nouns then the nouns following the prepositions "in" and "at" would be in the locative case.The presence of the preceding preposition is obligatory when the noun is in the locative case.

But,if the verb indicates motion,or in plain english,if you are :
going to, flying to, traveling to..

like in the question given in the opening post,then the noun will be in the dative case.This case you can connect with the nouns following the preposition "to" although the preposition is not necessarily present.The word "dative" derives from latin "dare" which means "to give" and the usage is most obvious on the example of that verb:

I gave my girlfriend a flower.

If you translated this in serbian,"girlfriend" would be in the dative case.Indirect object is in the dative case.The direct object ("a flower") is in the accusative case.

"Cases play a major part in determining a noun's syntactic role in the sentence, so word order is not as important in Latin as it is in other languages, such as English. Because of noun cases, words can often be moved around in a sentence without significantly altering its meaning, though the emphasis will have altered" (from a Wikipedia article on the latin language)
Btw,changing nouns,adjectives,pronouns and numbers to different cases is pretty tough area of the language with more cases,and is often lifelong mistery for many natives,and I know that well.Luckily,english is not a case-sensitive language.

Best regards

Re: Imperatives and pronouns

CalifJim — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:24:10 GMT

must I only use 'me' because it is an indirect object pronoun?

Yes, you must!

CJ

Re: Imperatives and pronouns

Yoong Liat — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:49:26 GMT

Fuerther wrote:
Hi,

Is it possible to use 'I' in the following sentence:

Tell Jack and I when the work is done.

or must I only use 'me' because it is an indirect object pronoun?

Thx

If you placed yourself first, you would say, 'Tell me and Jack when the work is done', wouldn't you?

Imperatives and pronouns

Fuerther — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:20:48 GMT

Hi,

Is it possible to use 'I' in the following sentence:

Tell Jack and I when the work is done.

or must I only use 'me' because it is an indirect object pronoun?

Thx

second object?

Anonymous — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:14:34 GMT

Hi,

Please tell me if the underlined part in the second sentence shows that the sentence has two objects, not a direct object or indirect object like the first sentence.

1. I gave him the money. -- I think here, the direct object is 'the money' and the indirect object is 'him'.

2. We asked him to leave quietly. -- Do you think 'him' and 'to leave quitely' are two objects but not a direct and indirect object? The infinitive 'to leave quitely' and the pronoun 'him' are acting as objects, right?

Re: In the following sentence ''He'' is subject, ''is'' is a...

CalifJim — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:22:28 GMT

Categories or Parts of Speech

he - pronoun
he - noun phrase (NP)*
is - verb
a - article
nice - adjective
person - noun
a nice person - noun phrase (NP)*
is a nice person - verb phrase (VP)*

*These designations come from a system of analysis called 'transformational grammar'.

Functions

he - subject
is - copula
a - determiner
nice - modifier
person - complement
a nice person - complement
is a nice person - predicate

At the highest level of functional analysis, each sentence has simply a subject and a predicate; the predicate is everything in the sentence except the subject.

The same part of speech (category), particularly nouns, can be used with different functions. For example a noun can act as a subject, a subject complement, a direct object, an indirect object, an object complement, the object of a preposition, or a modifier. In grammatical analysis the different kinds of terminology shown above are often mixed. The same component in a sentence may have several different names. Also, the same term may be used both as a category and as a function. The word verb, for example, is often used both to mean a part of speech and as the name of its function in the sentence. There are often many different terms that apply to the same word or group of words. The terms selected depend on the type of analysis which is being done.

CJ

Search results for 'tag:Pronouns tag:Indirect objects' matching tags 'Pronouns' and 'Indirect objects'

Re: Him killed I!

Re: suggest

Re: Suggest

Re: Is it a subject relative?

Re: About the meaning of &quot;where&quot;

Re: Imperatives and pronouns

Re: Imperatives and pronouns

Imperatives and pronouns

second object?

Re: In the following sentence ''He'' is subject, ''is'' is a...

Re: About the meaning of "where"