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Re: without 'will' ?

CalifJim — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:08:40 GMT

That doesn't soud like present simple to me.

It may not sound like present simple to you; nevertheless, that's exactly what it is.

The correct form is:

I hope he helps you.

The subjunctive is incorrect:

I hope he help you.

CJ

Re: without 'will' ?

Mister Micawber — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:21:56 GMT

We welcome your opinions, Marcelinx, but it is dangerous to try to compare your native language so closely with English-- they do not work the same way. Nor is your logic very careful.

Well, I certainly hope he helps you.

There is nothing subjunctive about this. The form of the subjunctive verb-- as you said-- is the same for all persons: I help, you help, he help.

Hope (and it may have been my comments that Kooyeen refers to) indeed is among the verbs that commonly take the present simple indicative for future reference in preference to the 'will' future. Other verbs are see, assume, suppose and a few more (I suppose the train is on time). In addition, there are many more verbs for which the future can be cast as simple present indicative in the subordinate clause.

The use of the subjunctive in true unreal clauses (I wish I were King) is slowly being superseded by the indicative equivalent (I wish I was King), to the extent that the subjunctive form is needed only on language examinations and English class essays. It is not a matter of who you are speaking to, certainly.

Re: without 'will' ?

Marcelinx — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:56:48 GMT

That doesn't soud like present simple to me. Present simple is used for opinions and beliefs, but "hope" expresses neither and opinion nor a belief. It expresses a WISH. And with a wish, you can only use one verb tense: Subjunctive. Most people don't know this verb tense, because it's very unusual and strange. Why? Because in this verb tense, you don't say he/she/it helps - you say he/she/it help. That's right. I'm a 100% sure the guy from Lost used subjunctive. And why did he say "helps" and not "help"? Because it would have been very formal, and they were in an informal situation, I guess.
So don't memorize hope = present simple, because it's not even true. And don't memorize hope = subjunctive. Memorizer this: WISH - subjunctive, because this way, you'll always know if the verb requires this verb tense.
It's very unusual that people in this community told Kooyeen and you that this is present simple when it's actually subjunctive. Even so, you shouldn't use subjunctive with your friends - it's very formal. Just use simple present, but remember it is incorrect, because it isn't used for a wish.
Well, I certainly hope he help you.
Regarding to "will help you"... That's incorrect too... It would be a lot easier if you were brazilian or spanish because this way I could explain why to you with a translation. Well, if anyone here is spanish or brazilian, I'll give you a very believable and convinceable explanation of why you use subjunctive and not future simple or present simple:

OjalÃ¡ Ã©l muera. CIERTO presente del subjuntivo
OjalÃ¡ Ã©l morirÃ¡. NO ESTÃ CIERTO futuro simple
OjalÃ¡ Ã©l more. NO ESTÃ CIERTO presente del indicativo

Lo que ocurre es que en inglÃ©s, el subjunctive es solo el presente del subjuntivo.

Tomara que ele morra. CERTO presente do subjuntivo
Tomara que ele morrerÃ¡. NÃO ESTÃ CERTO futuro do presente
Tomara que ele morre. NÃO ESTÃ CIERTO presente do indicativo

O que ocorre Ã© que em inglÃªs, o subjunctive Ã© sÃ³ o presente do subjuntivo.
______I hope this help____
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but first, google the word subjunctive before you say I'm lying.

Re: Suppose / Imagine

Ant_222 — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 00:18:44 GMT

While there's no replies...

I think they are both possible and, independent of which verb you use (suppose/imagine), Present Simple and subjunctive versions have different degrees of probability.

Completely improbable situations require the subjunctive:

Suppose/Imagine you were a woman.
If you were a woman...

Re: Correct order in which to parse a verb?

Garnett — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:29:51 GMT

Mister Micawber wrote:

Future Simple (I will sit)
Future Continuous/Progressive (I will be sitting)
Future Perfect (I will have sat")
Present Simple (I sit)
Past Simple (I sat)
Past Continuous/Progressive (I was sitting)
Past Perfect (I had sat)
Past Perfect Continuous/Progressive (I had been sitting)

Any I've missed? -- See VERB FORMS

Also can you hjelp me with Moods: Indicative, Subjunctive, Imperative. -- See VERB MOODS

In Latin you use the Jussive Subjuntive for sentences like "Let them eat cake", or "Let's go to the park". What is this construction in English? This is a causative imperative (I think).

Awesome. Thanks for those references.

Mister Micawber wrote:
"The bus stop was situated outside the airport - 3rd person singular, passive (or more probably active with the linking verb be and a predicate adjective), indicative." Are you parsing "be" here, then? -- Yes

Cool. That's what I thought.

Mister Micawber wrote:
Just because "situated" is being used as a participle adjective here, doesn't mean it can't be parsed like any other verb. It is a PPP isn't it - past passive participle? -- Not if it is an adjective.

I disagree.

In "the flying machine", "flying" can be parsed (at least partially) - Active present participle.

Participle Adjective: "A form of a verb that in some languages, such as English, can function independently as an adjective, as the past participle baked in We had some baked beans, and is used with an auxiliary verb to indicate tense, aspect, or voice, as the past participle baked in the passive sentence The beans were baked too long." ~ from Dictionary.com.

Is it a verb being used as an Adjective, or an out-and-out adjective? Frfom the definition above I would argue the former.

Mister Micawber wrote:
Don't confuse form and function. It is wisest to call it simply an -ed verb form

I think that's the crux.

Have you sen my thread here?

What are your thoughts?

I believe "stood" can replace "situated" in the sentence "I was situated at the bus stop".

"Situated" is defined in the dictionary as an adjective in its own right. "Stood" is not.

It appears then, to hinge on whether "situated" is a adjective "with the linking verb be and a predicate adjective" or whether it is a "participle adjective" that could be replaced by any other participle adjective like "stood"...

Re: Correct order in which to parse a verb?

Mister Micawber — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:12:20 GMT

Future Simple (I will sit)
Future Continuous/Progressive (I will be sitting)
Future Perfect (I will have sat")
Present Simple (I sit)
Past Simple (I sat)
Past Continuous/Progressive (I was sitting)
Past Perfect (I had sat)
Past Perfect Continuous/Progressive (I had been sitting)

Any I've missed? -- See VERB FORMS

Also can you hjelp me with Moods: Indicative, Subjunctive, Imperative. -- See VERB MOODS

In Latin you use the Jussive Subjuntive for sentences like "Let them eat cake", or "Let's go to the park". What is this construction in English? This is a causative imperative (I think).

"The bus stop was situated outside the airport - 3rd person singular, passive (or more probably active with the linking verb be and a predicate adjective), indicative." Are you parsing "be" here, then? -- Yes

Just because "situated" is being used as a participle adjective here, doesn't mean it can't be parsed like any other verb. It is a PPP isn't it - past passive participle? -- Not if it is an adjective. Don't confuse form and function. It is wisest to call it simply an -ed verb form.

Re: the -s in third person, present simple.

Inchoateknowledge — Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:43:56 GMT

How about subjunctive mood?

some formulaic subjunctives:

Heaven forbid, God bless you, God save the King, truth be told, etc.

Grammar - subjunctive

Guest — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:03:47 GMT

I am currently teaching an advanced class the sunjunctive in English. I have searched everywhere for rules on the subjunctive but have found nothing clear. Specifically I am looking for the rules regarding tense agreement (e.g. past subjunctive with conditionals/present subjunctive with present simple/past simple/future simple etc.). I would like to present to my class a table showing subjunctive/indicative tense agreement. Is this possible?

Re: American English subjunctive help

taiwandave — Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:46:22 GMT

We use "think" in the past simple or past perfect tense to indicate a belief that was previously held but that has been shown to be incorrect. For example:

I didn't think she was going. (past simple)
I had thought that she wasn't going. (past perfect)

The exception is in converting from direct to reported speech:

"I think he's a terrible teacher," she said. (direct speech)
She said that she thought he was a terrible teacher. (reported speech)

In the above, her opinion has not changed. The verb "think" is used in the past tense because we customarily switch from present simple to past simple when changing from direct speech to reported speech.

The subjunctive mood is used to express a wish or to describe a condition that is contrary to fact. The verb form is the same as the indicative mood except that the form of the verb "be" is "were" for all persons. (The indicative mood is that used to make a statement or ask a question. The vast majority of English sentences are in the indicative mood.).

When you say, "I didn't think she was going," you are not using the subjunctive mood. You are not expressing something that is contrary to fact. You are making a factual statement using the indicative mood. The "fact" you are mentioning is your previously-held belief that she would not go. The reason for using "think" in the past tense is that new information has since come to light (i.e. that she is, after all, going).