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If, the sentence, (p) "A whale is a fish no more than a horse is." is wrong,

and we have to say, "A whale is no more a fish than a horse is"

Then, how about this sentence, (q) "A whale is not a fish any more than a horse is." ?

Logically, if (q) is correct, then (p) should be correct, too.

But native speakers seem to feel differently, i.e. (p) is wrong, and (q) is correct.

Studying English has made me think that it is a very logical language....

This case might be an exception....

Any comments?
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I see nothing wrong with (p).
I think it's just one of those set structures.

'X is no more a Y than Z is' is a set phrase. It's quite common.
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Hi,

If you are interested in this discussion, you might also like to ponder the relatively well-known saying that 'A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle'.Emotion: smile

Clive


Thanks.....

I presume that 'A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle' means 'A woman who needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle'......
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Hi,

No, that's not the meaning.

It's a well-known feminist statement, that uses irony.

A fish does not need a bicycle. Similarly, a woman does not need a man.Emotion: big smile

It seeks to counter the traditional idea that a woman's life cannot be complete without a man.

Best wishes, Clive
Nona The Brit'X is no more a Y than Z is' is a set phrase. It's quite common.
Hi, is that ok? I though it had to be "X is no more of a Y than Z is"... Emotion: smile

fHi,

Is that ok? I though it had to be "X is no more of a Y than Z is" ... No, don't add 'of' to this expression.

However, you can remove the negative and say "X is no more of a Y than Z is". But this has a different meaning.

eg Tom is more of a man than Bob is. This means that Tom and Bob are both men, but that Tom is more masculine, maybe bigger muscles, heavier beard, more courage, better grammar, etc.

Best wishes, Clive
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