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The instructor of the poetry seminar I'm currently attending is of the opinion that adverbs and adjectives are overused and ... many (most?) adverbs and adjectives. My tendency is to agree but comments from this esteemed assembly will be greatly appreciated.

I'd like to know what's on her list of 'poems where adverbs are needed only due to the weakness of the chosen verb' and poems where adjectives are needed only 'due to the inaccuracy of the noun'. Because, frankly, it sounds like horseshit.

John Dean
Oxford
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And "well" is there only for the rhyme. "Straight" might not be necessary either.

Aren't you being a bit severe? The two "well"s are neat enough word-play;

Not his best, if you want my opinion (I mean "unvarnished opinion). It's just repetition with the order reversed; "knows well" means the same thing both times.
I imagine that "hell" was in his mind first, of course, so
that far I'll go with you. As for "straight", it pairs perfectly with "no sooner".

I'd say "no sooner" makes "straight" redundant, though it's not Shakespeare's most redundantest pleonasm of all.
Nonsense. It's clearly better to say till action, lust Is perjury, murder, blood, fullness of blame, Savagery, extremity, rudeness, cruelty, unworthiness of trust.

I don't fancy your metre much!

Does that mean you don't want to see "With the Kids", my improvement on Yeats?

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The instructor of the poetry seminar I'm currently attending is ... but comments from this esteemed assembly will be greatly appreciated.

It's certainly among the general principles of sub-editing that adjectives are guilty until proved innocent, while adverbs are to be ... adverbs there are "straight" and "well"; the adjectives, though, are the sense rather than mere amplification of nouns.

Thanks, Mike. All the others likewise.

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be message Yes, I did think about it not ... mood rather than conveying information? (Would Areff here interject "NTTAWWT"?)

Oh, I was kidding, your sentence is fine as is. I think people often use adverbs to shade the rhetorical ... to look at the important words in the sentence to see if they actually say what you want them to.

Intoirely.
Mike.
The instructor of the poetry seminar I'm currently attending is ... but comments from this esteemed assembly will be greatly appreciated.

I'd like to know what's on her list of 'poems where adverbs are needed only due to the weakness of the chosen verb' and poems where adjectives are needed only 'due to the inaccuracy of the noun'. Because, frankly, it sounds like horseshit.

I don't think she means poetry specifically, rather writing in general. She also teaches writing courses. I'll look back through my old papers and find an example or two...

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I'd like to know what's on her list of 'poems ... inaccuracy of the noun'. Because, frankly, it sounds like horseshit.

I don't think she means poetry specifically, rather writing in general. She also teaches writing courses. I'll look back through my old papers and find an example or two...

Ah! I was confused by the reference to 'poetry seminar'. BTW, is the phrase "stronger verbs" one of hers? Does she use the adjective because she's picked an inaccurate noun? And did you use 'currently' because you chose a weak verb in 'attending'?
John Dean
Oxford
I'd like to know what's on her list of 'poems ... inaccuracy of the noun'. Because, frankly, it sounds like horseshit.

I don't think she means poetry specifically, rather writing in general. She also teaches writing courses. I'll look back through my old papers and find an example or two...

I suspect she's referring to prose in which all reporters have to be 'ace' reporters, all girls have to smile 'prettily', and the like. The over-sprinkling of adjectives and adverbs turns prose into a series of clich├ęs, and is most off-putting. It's one of the characteristics of a poor novelist, in my opinion.

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Robin Bignall
Hertfordshire
England
I don't fancy your metre much!

Does that mean you don't want to see "With the Kids", myimprovement on Yeats?

Thank you so much for offering us the opportunity. It would be absolutely marvellous, but I'm afraid conditions in publishing these days make it impossible to add any more exciting young poets to our very full list.
With our very best wishes,
Mike.
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The instructor of the poetry seminar I'm currently attending is of the opinion that adverbs and adjectives are overused and ... many (most?) adverbs and adjectives. My tendency is to agree but comments from this esteemed assembly will be greatly appreciated.

Many people would agree with that. I would agree in many cases. In others, I'd most vehemently disagree.
The best words to use are the ones that best convey the meaning. When balancing style and substance, it's best to have both. If some people will take off points for style, it's best to go with the consensus. The consensus may be against me on this one, but I'd go with a highly discerning adverb and broader verb over a moderately discerning verb that comes close in conveying the meaning. Perhaps I could have come up with better nouns in that last sentence, but if people want to beat me up for it, I can live with it.
I'm also looking forward to finding out what verb somebody will point out to represent my vehement disagreement. Perhaps I need a thesaurus.
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