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can you tell me the correct Term for example "say hello to john from rachel and I" or would it be "from rachel and me"?
this has been causing a few discussions.
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Me, myself, and I

A million well-meaning parents are to blame for the rampant abuse of the letter I.

"It's Adam and I, not Adam and me." How many times have you heard that?

The thing is, sometimes "Adam and me" is correct. It depends on whether you are the subject or object of the sentence.

Are you glazing over yet? I understand and sympathise. But don't worry. There's an easier way to remember whether you should say I or me: Leave Adam out of the equation.

If you're asking yourself, Hmmm, is it "Adam and I went to the store," or "Adam and me went to the store," just try thinking of the problem without Adam. You wouldn't say "Me went to the store," would you? So "Adam and I" it is. Nor would you say "Lucy gave I the ball." Which is why "Lucy gave Adam and me the ball" is correct.
Woodward: Aww... thanks!
Hitchhiker: Yes, but that line of reasoning breaks down when you get to the verb "to be." People's ears will tell them that it is correct to say, "It is me," and so they will then also say, "It is Theodore and me." But since they were wrong in the first place, they will still be wrong when they add another noun. This is one of the best examples of why it is dangerous to rely on your ear alone without understanding the grammatical concept behind what you are saying. Ears need to be refined constantly. I'm still working on mine... sigh...
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It -subject
is -verb
me -object

It's me. As "me" is an object the sentence is correct!
That's the thing, though. It's not an object. It's a nominative complement.
Here's a link to some good ol' Fowler that will back me up:
http://www.bartleby.com/116/201.html
(He gives examples, and in the examples, the italicized words are incorrect.)
I think you are right because since we have the verb "to be" we call it a nominative complement by which we mean that "it" is the same person as the subject. However, it is still a complement. Used with another verb other than the verb "to be", it would be called direct object.
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Yes yes. Hence we specify that it is a nominative complement.
The test for "I" or "me" that I was taught was to drop the "Rachel and" and see which sounded better. so you would get "say hello to john from I", which does not sound correct, whereas "say hello to john from me" does sound correct - so the conclusion would be that "say hello to john from Rachel and me" would be correct.
kitkattail,

Fowler is not a great source to be checking re the state of present day English.

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http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/97mar/ha...ern/nunberg.htm

Take Modern English Usage, by that good man H. W. Fowler, "a Christian in all but actual faith," as the Dictionary of National Biography called him. Despite a revision in 1965, it is out-of-date, yet it still has a coterie ...

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According to the Cambridge Grammar of the English Language [CGEL] and other modern language scientists, both

It is I AND It is me

are fully grammatical, as is,

Between you and I

as are,

"say hello to John from Rachel and I" OR "from Rachel and me"

Prescriptive grammarians have been, well, to put it in a nutshell, errantly prescribing for centuries.

GM
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I went to the store.

John and I went to the store.

Would you like to go to the store with me?

Would you like to go to the store with John and me?

All of the above are correct.

However, I suspect that since rules can (and have) changed over time, usually based on common usage in contemporary literature, things might change in the future. Either that, or an exception to the rule as an option for writers will be standard.

R
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