HI

i.e 'A or The veteran leader '

A or The refers to veteran or leader???? and veteran is an adj or a noun here???

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A or The refers to leader. Veteran is an adjective here.
Articles (determiners) cannot refer. They are not referring expressions. veteran is a noun as in 'a veteran of World War II'. It modifies the head noun leader. The whole noun phrase is a veteran leader (or the veteran leader). There are no adjectives here.

There is a second interpretation in which veteran is an adjective meaning 'very experienced'.

I suppose you could say that the determiner is more closely associated with the head noun than with the modifying noun (or adjective).

CJ
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Hi,

Neither of them refers to the words you mentioned.

Let's take a look at this example:

The veteran leader made an important decision: he withdrew from public life.

The word "he" obviously refers to the veteran leader we're talking about.

However, if you replaced "he" with either "a" or "the", you'd get an ungrammatical sentence with

no reference at all.

Regards
CalifJimArticles (determiners) cannot refer. They are not referring expressions. veteran is a noun as in 'a veteran of World War II'. It modifies the head noun leader. The whole noun phrase is a veteran leader (or the veteran leader). There are no adjectives here.

There is a second interpretation in which veteran is an adjective meaning 'very experienced'.

I suppose you could say that the determiner is more closely associated with the head noun than with the modifying noun (or adjective).

CJ
Thanks for your reply, you mean that veteran is a noun here????and it means a very experienced person or soldier?
Hi,

Yes, "the veteran leader" is a noun phrase. He's probably a very experienced person (or soldier).

Regards
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RegardsHi,
Yes, "the veteran leader" is a noun phrase. He's probably a very experienced person (or soldier).

Regards
SO in some sentences like above (A or The veteran leader)how we can recognize veteran is an adj or a noun???

because veteran seem to be an adj here??
bmojtabaThanks for your reply, you mean that veteran is a noun here??and it means a very experienced person or soldier?
I'm saying that veteran may be a noun or an adjective.

veteran, noun = soldier; veteran, adjective = very experienced. Therefore,

veteran leader = leader who is a veteran (soldier)

or

veteran leader = leader of veterans (soldiers)

or

veteran leader = very experienced leader

I imagine that the first of these three is what comes to mind first for most native speakers.

CJ
veteran leader = leader who is a veteran (soldier) [I thought an experienced soldier is called a "seasoned veteran" or something like that and a soldier/police/fireman/or anyone who has been in some kind of service(including mundane office work) is just called "a veteran".]

or

veteran leader = leader of veterans (soldiers) [In the military, rank is the determing factor for leadership unless they are retired and formed some sort of group or union. (thats why I have never thought that veteran leader is leader of veterans...)]

or

veteran leader = very experienced leader [this was the only interpretation I had]

Does my reasoning make sense or am I ignoring the obvious? Thats why I was certain that veteran is an adj in this case~~ well at least at first. Now I am unsure...
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