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Is this use related to the "police present"? Police spokesman at news conference: "The suspect enters the jewelry store, pulls ... for discussions of the police present, and was surprised not to find anything. Maybe my search terms were not well-crafted.

I've never heard of "police present" as a term, but you'll find plenty of hits in our archives for "historical present".

Best Donna Richoux
I did search the AUE Google archive for discussions of ... to find anything. Maybe my search terms were not well-crafted.

I've never heard of "police present" as a term, but you'll find plenty of hits in our archives for "historical present".

Indeed. Thanks for the heads-up.

Mike Nitabach
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Okay, Freck, if you've taken the battering and read to the end, here are a few recommendations (all serious): Anything by A.J. Liebling

Motion seconded here. You'll probably have to get most of his work in second-hand book stores. Good starters would be "The Earl of Louisiana" and "The Best of A.J. Liebling."
Roger Angell's writing would be marvellous too. You seconding this, Lieblich?
It is no coincidence that both Liebling and Angell wrote/write for the New Yorker.
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Okay, Freck, if you've taken the battering and read to the end, here are a few recommendations (all serious): Anything by A.J. Liebling

Motion seconded here. You'll probably have to get most of his work in second-hand book stores. Good starters would be "The Earl of Louisiana" and "The Best of A.J. Liebling." Roger Angell's writing would be marvellous too. You seconding this, Lieblich?

Absolutely.
It is no coincidence that both Liebling and Angell wrote/write for the New Yorker.

The New Yorker ain't what it used to be, but it still beats just about every other American magazine all hollow when it comes to the quality of its prose. For example, tf I never went to the movies, I'd still read Anthony Lane. I think a collection of his reviews and commentary was recently published, and that's another one I'd recommend to Freck, were it not that he seems to dislike every writer I like.
Hey, what if I told Freck I liked his writing?

Bob Lieblich
Nah!
I believe Mr. Writer died of a heart attack a few months ago.

Dammit, Freck. That's not what I wrote. I do you the courtesy of leaving your words unedited, elisions (always indicated) aside. You might do me the same courtesy.
What I wrote was "Writter." I wrote it because you had written "writter." You cleaned that up, too. For shame. No one reading your post could possibly understand what I had intended. And what I had intended was a pun on the name of John Ritter, television star, who died suddenly of a heart attack on September 12, 2003. The pun was triggered by your original misspelling of "writer" as "writter."
He died in June 2003.

Yes, Brinkley did. That wasn't my point.
David Brinkely's style looks simple, is very easy to read, funny more often than sad, and is easy to follow. ... documentaries on various regoins and broadly discussed the present, the past, and the future outlook for a rapidly moderizing region.

Brinkley was an excellent writer. I enjoyed his spoken commentaries at the end of This Week* and I have enjoyed the excerpts I have read from *Washington Goes to War. If you could write half as well as Brinkley I wouldn't find you so annoying or treat you as I do.
I'm sure Mr. Bilbo is grateful for such excellent treatment. ... Mr. Brinkley is also dead. Do I detect a trend?

You never fail to be funny. LOL. He he he...

Well, we have to take our grateful audiences where we find them.
Block that metaphor.

Do you always block words that can be sexually suggestive? Do you repress sexual thoughts a lot?

Do you understand anything? It wasn't the content per se: it was the metaphor itself, which is so trite that I would never use it other than in jest. My sex life is my business.
BTW, do you have any idea where "Block that metaphor" comes from? If not, why not ask Google?
Be still, my heart.

David Brinkley is a very good writer. His style is impressive. I will attempt an imprint.

I had no idea. Are you a publisher of some sort? Or should I infer that you hope that reading David Brinkley will enable you to write like him? No way.
most time Bilbo. ran didn't of the

International was old before then? And is wwii the same as WWII?

Writers who work for newspapers work under bosses who are called editor, and there is an editor called a proofeditor ... descriptions of each? Look, Robert, it is rude to poke fun at typos, minor and major misspellings, gramamatical mistakes, ect.

Not if they're endemic. Here's something from the FAQ of this very newsgroup in which you and I are posting:
"Consider avoiding ... sloppy writing (as distinct from simple slips like typing errors, or errors from someone whose native language is not English). Keep in mind that the regulars on alt.usage.english are probably less willing than the general population to suffer sloppy writers gladly; and that each article is written by one person, but read perhaps by thousands, so the convenience of the readers really ought to have priority over the convenience of the writer." See
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The use.net is a chat environment, really just a slow old style internet bulletin board. Why don't you take it somewhere else?

Me? Where else could I have so much fun with English usage and those who are so bad at it?
Don't you have places to find friends, to meet with friends, places to have fun to go? I really can't imagine "poking fun" at me can be such a good use of your time.

It's something I do for fun. And you make it so easy.
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Great run-on sentence, Freck.

You didn't understand it? It look a bit long, but it doesn't run on.

Here's the full sentence, cut and pasted from your original post: "He made
international new during wwii, the worst thing about NAZIs was that they declared war on the US according to Bilbo, and he was friend to all the major anti-semites in the media." I say that's a run-on. You wanna disagree, you disagree. You'll be wrong.
The phrase 'according to Bilbo' could have been at the front part and not the back part of the clause.

And it would have had nothing to do with the run-on-hood of the sentence.

I think you left out some words. The attitude this group has displayed toward you entitles me, I believe, to use the first-person plural.
Consider reading a book on punctuation first. Try the section on apostrophes.

On the use.net apostrophes are substituted for italics. Italics, the use.net, not enabled. Yoda had strange style.

What has this to do with your omission of the necessary apostrophe from the phrase "journalists' writings"?
Well, it beats never reading anything again. (I'll give you ... teacher, for one. I should think the reason is obvious.

People who deal the pug teens all day get to have something wrong with them. They get crazy and quit, or become like the pug teens. You remind me of pug teens.

I don't know how to react, because I don't know what you mean by "pug teen." Google is no help.
(snip much personal confession as irrelevant)
Oy! Oy. Oy!> Okay, Freck, if you've taken the battering ... by Ben Bradlee and Katharine Graham. Anything by Murray Kempton.

None of those personalities appeal to me.

I wasn't recommending their personalities. I was recommending their writing. They're all journalists and all excellent writers. Why do I bother?
When you've finished those, come on back and give us another posting to poke fun at.

I will finish up 'Brinley's Beat'. Then I will move on to 100 Ways to Imporve Your Writing, which will ... it. You have always been asking, "Why, Freck, do you post?" or some such. Why do you think, I bother?

Why do you bother, I think?
There is a real reason I've kept at posting to the use.net for the last 7 years, I bet you can' t guess?

It's things like that question mark that drive those of us with an eye for language half berserk. BTW, the sentence is another run-on.

I assume there's some reason why you keep posting, but I can't imagine what it is. Telling me I can't guess isn't much help. Are you capable of articulating an answer to that question. Why *do* you post, Freck?

Bob Lieblich
Wasting time
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I don't think you can say "Shakespeare is a good writer", but I think you can say "Shakespeare is using the forest an analogy".

But can you say you are a good writer? Or that you make any sense much of the time? Read the above, please. Even after inserting the missing 'as', the second part of your sentence makes little sense. Who's to say what you meant in the first part? More *** gibberish. I still can't get used to it.

Charles Riggs
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I don't think you can say "Shakespeare is a good writer", but I think you can say "Shakespeare is using the forest an analogy".

But can you say you are a good writer?

Yes. I can. Whether or not I should is debatable from the viewpoint of both modesty and accuracy.
Or that you make any sense much of the time? Read the above, please. Even after inserting the missing 'as', the second part of your sentence makes little sense.

Yes, I did mistype and omit the "as". If, after inserting that, you still don't understand it then I can't help you.
Who's to say what you meant in the first part? More *** gibberish. I still can't get used to it.

I feel the same way about okra.
Dammit, Freck. That's not what I wrote. I do you the courtesy of leaving your words unedited, elisions (always indicated) aside. You might do me the same courtesy.

I edited. I don't know, I might do it again, I liked doing it.
Brinkley was an excellent writer. I enjoyed his spoken commentaries at the end of This Week and I have enjoyed ... you could write half as well as Brinkley I wouldn't find you so annoying or treat you as I do.

I hope to improve, but given the gravity that I hold for this usenet NG, or any of them, I will still take less time editing and proofing. Tf you want perfection, seek it in yourself and not me.
Do you always block words that can be sexually suggestive? Do you repress sexual thoughts a lot?

Do you understand anything? It wasn't the content per se: it was the metaphor itself, which is so trite that I would never use it other than in jest. My sex life is my business.

Yes, and I'm sorry.
I had no idea. Are you a publisher of some sort? Or should I infer that you hope that reading David Brinkley will enable you to write like him? No way.

I recall that idea from high school, it is an educational idea (imprinting) that has been used at least for 2 decades. You haven't heard of ‘imprinting' used by educators and trainers? Well, I have.
Writers who work for newspapers work under bosses who are ... fun at typos, minor and major misspellings, grammatical mistakes, ect.

Not if they're endemic. Here's something from the FAQ of this very newsgroup in which you and I are posting: ... thousands, so the convenience of the readers really ought to have priority over the convenience of the writer." See .

You are too worried over ‘writter' and 'journalists'. But, this is a enjoyment, as you say.
The use.net is a chat environment, really just a slow old style internet bulletin board. Why don't you take it somewhere else?

Me? Where else could I have so much fun with English usage and those who are so bad at it?

Teach middle school teens! Clearly, America needs people like you in our middle school classrooms.

John Freck
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None of those personalities appeal to me.

Ouch. How can you say these personalities don't appeal to you if you don't know them? If you can appreciate Mike Royko, you can certainly enjoy Jim Murray.

To 'not like' is neutral, while 'dislike' is negative. Also, I should have added that, I'm unfamilar with some on his list. I will remember, Jim Murray's, name.
You have always been asking, "Why, Freck, do you post?" ... forthe last 7 years, I bet you can' t guess?

It's my guess, after reading your posts, that you have a genuine interest in improving your English. Frankly, I don't think you have any flair in expressing yourself, but I can't help but admire your tenacity. It's rather like me and golf.

Yes.
John Freck
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