re: British Accent Perceptions page 7

Ah, yes, once the camel gets its nose in the Tardis ...

Idries Shah, is that you?

Mickwick,
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I have trouble with rhyming slang, though; I often can't remember explanations of particular rhyming-slangisms for some reason, for ... "raspberry" and "brass tacks" are a couple that come to mind, but they're obviously inferior to Brito-Australian rhyming slang).

"Brass tacks"?
Matti

Well, we know one of his outgroups, since he just told us - is Hoosier his ingroup? Is there no ... with a name beginning with I - Indiana? Iowa? Whatever - weere there no Indians there? Surely not in Indiana?

A "Hoosier" is anyone from Indiana. Just being "from" Indiana is qualification enough. There's not enough honor in the title to have additional qualifications like "how many generations back".

Growing up in Indiana I never (to the best of my recollection) met a an Indian (native American type) from Indiana. I don't know where all the descendants of the earlier residents of Indiana went off to.

In Florida, it's quite the opposite. Members of the Seminole and Miccosukee tribes are seemingly all over the place. Find a large bingo hall or a "tax-free" cigarette outlet, and it's owned and run by one of the two tribes. They seemingly have ongoing power struggles within the tribes and regularly kick someone out of the tribal council. They are very protective of the laws that allow the Seminoles and Miccosukee to be tried in tribal court instead of civil court.

Agreed. I've seen her (only on TV, sadly), and she's a complete scream. And mostly English with a side-helping of Muslim.

Hmmm. Is that what is known as a category error? Muslims can be English, you know. True, most call themselves ... to change. I would also question the side-helping. All, or almost all, of her material is about being a Muslim.

Her material is about being a Muslim (you gotta have an identity if your're going to be a comic). But the lady herself is English.

I was trying to point out (perhaps cack-handedly) to non Brits here that second and third generation immigrants are in general as English (or Scottish etc) as those who might be considered indigenous. I have a friend, born in Islington to African parents, who is utterly English (even if he's a southerner).

David
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Does exactly what it says on the tin.

Oy! Oy! Coop, there you go (AYK) with that 'us' ... I think, unless he was including the Abraham Lincoln Brigade.

Wouldn't surprise me. Presumably not enough room on the jacket for the other conflicts he could have cited. Though the fact that Native Americans fought on both sides may have made him reluctant to cite the War of Independence,

But a great many Americans fought on, or at least sympathised with, the British side in the War of Independence. Didn't they ship something like
100 000 'loyalists' out afterwards? And that was just those that weren'tmurdered.

Rob Bannister

Is there no overlap? No American Indians who are Hoosiers, ... - weere there no Indians there? Surely not in Indiana?

Indiana. But, despite its name, Indiana drove out most of its American Indian population a long time ago. Nevertheless, many Hoosiers can claim partial descent from members of one or more Native American tribes.

So Tony's "us" can't be Hoosiers, then.
What can it be?
Members of aue? Surely not?

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Indiana. But, despite its name, Indiana drove out most of ... descent from members of one or more Native American tribes.

So Tony's "us" can't be Hoosiers, then. What can it be? Members of aue? Surely not?

Surely not. What I'd like to know is, is Tony's recently-born half-Russian GS an 'us' or a 'them'? Does the fact that the Cold War's been over for over a decade now affect the answer?

On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, in alt.usage.english, Mike Barnes (Email Removed) writes

It's slang and it rhymes, but it's not "rhyming slang" in the "Cockney" sense I think you mean. NSOED: plate ... "cox (plate)" would fit the pattern for Cockney-style rhyming slang, but that's a bit close to the bone... uh, whatever.

Could it be "plate of meat" = "eat"?

Mark Browne
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It's slang and it rhymes, but it's not "rhyming slang" ... but that's a bit close to the bone... uh, whatever.

Could it be "plate of meat" = "eat"?

Plates of meat = feet. Me plates are urtin.
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