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To broaden the discussion slightly, I've noticed in Updike's novels ... & (b) Canada? It would sound odd in the UK.

(a) Yes. (b) Ask the folks with the beady eyes and flappy heads.

(a) Could you explain your (b)? This is a sincere question. I'm not sure who, or what, you mean. Linguists? Grammarians? R.R.s? Members of the chattering classes? Poutine-eating conscientious-objector monkeys? I realize that there may be some overflap here.
(b) In another thread, the discussion of the use of she/her for cars and boats has come up again; but I think no one has mentioned the generalized use of she/her for it/its. I have heard this widely in Canada all my life, usually as male-talk. It may also be class-bound: I worked one summer on a survey crew with the son of a farmer from the Windsor (Ont.) area who rarely needed to use the word "it". Engines, survey equipment, a bear we met (maybe that one was accurate), the dinner pot, the tent, sleeping bags, you name 'er. He did. As well, there's the currently fashionable phrase (somebody wrote a book), "givin'er". Are these not found in the U.S.? She just a Northern-Boy usage? CDB
To broaden the discussion slightly, I've noticed in Updike's novels ... & (b) Canada? It would sound odd in the UK.

(a) Yes. (b) Ask the folks with the beady eyes and flappy heads.

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Engines, survey equipment, a bear we met
(maybe that one was accurate), the dinner pot, the tent, sleeping bags, you name 'er. He did. As well, there's the currently fashionable phrase (somebody wrote a book), "givin'er". Are these not found in the U.S.? She just a Northern-Boy usage?

No. She did seem unlikely. Thank you, Jacques Guy.
On 14 Mar 2005, Mike Lyle wrote

badly accent. Wonder no more: to this Anglicized ear ... Areff told me that was actually a natural NY accent.

To me, the most cringe-inducing American accents by British actorsare found in Radio 4 plays: supposed Americans in those invariably ... Cheers, Harvey Ottawa/Toronto/Edmonton for 30 years; Southern England for the past 22 years. (for e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van)

According to the Oxford Guide to Canadian English Usage there is a distinct usage of "acclamation" in Canada where it means to win an election b/c no one else ran. In Britain + US it refers to "winning in a vote decided by cheers and shouts rather than by ballots."
Oh, is the Subway chain a Canadian corporation?

Doubtful, apart from Canadian subsidiaries. They got started in Connecticut.
"Sub" is short for "submarine sandwich," but the sandwich chain related it to "subway" and used to be decorated with wallpaper of old NY subway maps.

Sort of silly, given that this usage of "sub" is not native to New York City English (which uses "hero"). "Sub" is, however, found in coastal Connecticut, the region in which the Subway chain originated.

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According to the Oxford Guide to Canadian English Usage there is a distinct usage of "acclamation" in Canada where it ... In Britain + US it refers to "winning in a vote decided by cheers and shouts rather than by ballots."

Interesting: Collins makes that distinction, too. (I wasn't aware of it, and being Canadian I'd have assumed the "by default/single candidate" meaning if I'd encountered the term here in the UK.)

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(1)ObSparkE: Evan R. Kirshenbaum English, the westernmost subdialect of ChiE(2).

I'd go with "Northernmost". I don't see any real dialect differences between my neighborhood and that of my parents, West Rogers Park, which is one neighborhood over from the lake. Dialects in Chicago seemed to vary more on a north-south axis than an east-west axis, at least up where I was.
I also tend to forget how far west we actually were, while I tend to think of us as having been further north of my grandparents when we were, indeed, almost due west.
You can find a neighborhood map of the city at
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I lived in Edison Park, up in the northwest corner. West Rogers Park is apparently now called "West Ridge". It wouldn't surprise me if the name change was an attempt to distance itself from its image as the predominantly Jewish area when I was growing up.

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(a) Yes. (b) Ask the folks with the beady eyes and flappy heads.

(a) Could you explain your (b)? This is a sincere question. I'm not sure who, or what, you mean. Linguists? Grammarians? R.R.s? Members of the chattering classes? Poutine-eating conscientious-objector monkeys? I realize that there may be some overflap here.

"Canadians":
Sheila: Time's have changed
Our kids are kids are getting worse
They wont obey their parents
They just want to fart and curse!
Sharon: Should we blame the government?
Liane: Or blame society?
Dads: Or should we blame the images on TV?
Sheila: No, blame Canada
Everyone: Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their beady little eyes
And flappin heads so full of lies
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Sheila: We need to form a full assault
Everyone: It's Canadas fault!
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For some reason, Canadians on South Park are always portrayed as having spherical heads whose entire top opens (at the equator) when they talk. Very few actual Canadians I've met are built that way.

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In Ithaca they were subs. (Upstate is firmly in the Midwest dialect area.)
I don't think I was aware of them before I left NYC at 16 ...
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