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Oh, I'm sorry. Was this crossposted to alt.zealot.kooks?

I consider myself neither but wished to warn the OP that either version would be offensive to Christians.

Hey, Derek, I'm Jewish (in case you hadn't noticed). To me Christmas is all about TV commercials, shopping till you drop, and soppy music, and I find all of it especially the music offensive (if mildly so). I'd be happy if it could somehow go back to being a strictly religious holiday and all the commercial trappings were canned. In that respect, I believe you and I agree. I promise in exchange never to flaunt Hanukkah at anyone.
BTW, even though I'm not a Christian, I still consider myself an American.

Bob Lieblich
From the land of the Goyim
Hey, Derek, I'm Jewish (in case you hadn't noticed). To me Christmas is all about TV commercials, shopping till you ... canned. In that respect, I believe you and I agree. I promise in exchange never to flaunt Hanukkah at anyone.

Thank you, Bob, that is precisely what I meant. It's the /all/ that I found deeply offensive. The UK isn't /quite/ as bad as the US on the adverts-music-shopping side, but we are very rapidly catching up. Meanwhile the practising Christians struggle to ignore it all and observe Advent as a time of waiting and reflection. The churches in which I have served have all had a 'no carols before Christmas eve' policy in worship we organized. But that had to be relaxed for the school carol services. That way we were not quite so sick of carols by the time Christmas actually arrives!
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Hey, Derek, I'm Jewish (in case you hadn't noticed). To ... I promise in exchange never to flaunt Hanukkah at anyone.

Thank you, Bob, that is precisely what I meant. It's the /all/ that I found deeply offensive. The UK isn't ... the school carol services. That way we were not quite so sick of carols by the time Christmas actually arrives!

It seems to me that there are two totally different festivals. Xmas starts in late September, and finishes at about 3p.m. on 25 December, while Christmas starts on 24 December and runs till the night of 5 January.
With best wishes,
Peter. (A devout agnostic.)

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Hey, Derek, I'm Jewish (in case you hadn't noticed). To ... I promise in exchange never to flaunt Hanukkah at anyone.

Thank you, Bob, that is precisely what I meant. It's the /all/ that I found deeply offensive. The UK isn't ... the school carol services. That way we were not quite so sick of carols by the time Christmas actually arrives!

You must have more services than we do. We started singing Christmas carols and hymns last week, it being the first Sunday in Advent. There won't be much repetition at Sunday services, although with the school carol concert, the brass band concert and the village carol service also taking place over the next fortnight, repetition will occur in the building. The general complaint by the congregation is that we don't sing /enough/ Christmas carols - or the wrong tune has been chosen.
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which I have served have all had a 'no carols ... so sick of carols by the time Christmas actually arrives!

You must have more services than we do. We started singing Christmas carols and hymns last week, it being the ... complaint by the congregation is that we don't sing /enough/ Christmas carols - or the wrong tune has been chosen.

Oh we kept the shout going until Candlemass. The last carol (Angels from the Realms of Glory) being particularly apposite. There are lots of good Advent hymns to keep us going in Advent!
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The churches in You must have more services than we ... Christmas carols - or the wrong tune has been chosen.

Oh we kept the shout going until Candlemass. The last carol (Angels from the Realms of Glory) being particularly apposite. There are lots of good Advent hymns to keep us going in Advent!

A friend who is an Anglican parish priest says "I HATE carol services! They're bogus and sentimental." He has a point, though the music, /pace/ Bob, can be very good.

Mike.
Dear all, =A0 =A0 =A0I would like to know which of the following sentences is bette=r in English usage? =A0Thanks a lot! =A01. =A0 Christmas is all about love and care. =A02. =A0Christmas is all about love and caring.

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But Christmas is all about retailing. Just ask the Japanese.

GFH
I consider myself neither but wished to warn the OP that either version would be offensive to Christians.

Hey, Derek, I'm Jewish (in case you hadn't noticed). To me Christmas is all about TV commercials, shopping till you ... exchange never to flaunt Hanukkah at anyone. BTW, even though I'm not a Christian, I still consider myself an American.

Handel's "Messiah" is soapy?

Regards,
Chuck Riggs
Near Dublin, Ireland
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To me Christmas is all about TV commercials, shopping till you drop, and soppy music, and I find all of ... happy if it could somehow go back to being a strictly religious holiday and all the commercial trappings were canned.

You are Ebenezer Scrooge AICMFP.
I was unaware the Scrooge was Jewish, although the name Ebenezer might be a clue.
Much more seriously the Xmas commercial trappings are an important economic activity which provides income to workers not only in those countries where Xmas is celebrated but in those countries where the Xmas goodies are made. Many people's jobs depend on the continuation of this commercial tradition.

To thoughtlessly abandon this economic activity would be an act of callousness to those who depend on it.
To Christians such as Derek Turner, do not disparage this economic activity for selfish personal spiritual reasons. All your charitable endeavours could not begin to compensate for the damage done.

Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.english.usage)
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