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Dear Passionate Freak / Kabayan / Sweet Dessert / Rose,

According to the latest research by Indian / Western historians, the balck stone at Kabah at Mecca is indeed a Shiv-lingam. I reproduce one of such studies"

Was the Kaaba Originally a Hindu Temple?
By P.N. Oak (Historian)

“..According to extant Islamic records, Indian merchants had settled in Arabia, particularly in Yemen, and their life and manners deeply influenced those who came in touch with them .
This shows that Indians were in Arabia and Yemen in sufficient strength and commanding position to be able to influence the local people. This could not be possible unless they belonged to the ruling class. It is mentioned in the Abadis i.e., the authentic traditions of Prophet Mohammad compiled by Imam Bukhari that the Indian tribe of Jats had settled in Arabia before Prophet Mohammad’s times. Once when Hazrat Ayesha, wife of the Prophet, was taken ill, her nephew sent for a Jat physician for her treatment. This proves that Indians enjoyed a high and esteemed status in Arabia. Such a status could not be theirs unless they were the rulers. Bukhari also tells us that an Indian Raja (king) sent a jar of ginger pickles to the Prophet. This shows that the Indian Jat Raja ruled an adjacent area so as to be in a position to send such an insignificant present as ginger pickles. The Prophet is said to have so highly relished it as to have told his colleagues also to partake of it. These references show that even during Prophet Mohammad’s times Indians retained their influential role in Arabia, which was a dwindling legacy from Vikramaditya’s times.’

“..That the ancient Indian empires may have extended up to the eastern boundaries of Arabia until Vikramaditya and that it was he who for the first time conquered Arabia….Firstly, the inscription on the iron pillar near the so-called Kutub Minar refers to the marriage of the victorious king Vikramaditya to the princess of Balhika. ….Arabic tradition has lost trace of the founding of the Kaaba temple. The discovery of the Vikramaditya inscription affords a clue. King Vikramaditya is known for his great devotion to Lord Mahadev (Siva)… Since according to the Vikramaditya inscription he spread the Vedic religion, who else but he could have founded the Kaaba temple in Mecca?


“The main shrine in Mecca, which houses the Siva emblem, is known as the Kaaba…
According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, the Kaaba has 360 images. Traditional accounts mention that one of the deities among the 360 destroyed when the place was stormed, was that of Saturn; another was of the Moon and yet another was one called Allah. …In India the crescent moon is always painted across the forehead of the Siva symbol. Since that symbol was associated with the Siva emblem in Kaaba it came to be grafted on the flag of Islam.

Another Hindu tradition associated with the Kaaba is that of the sacred stream Ganga (sacred waters of the Ganges river). According to the Hindu tradition Ganga is also inseparable from the Shiva emblem as the crescent moon. Wherever there is a Siva emblem, Ganga must co-exist. True to that association a sacred fount exists near the Kaaba. Its water is held sacred because it has been traditionally regarded as Ganga since pre-Islamic times (Zam-Zam water).
Muslim pilgrims visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven times. In no other mosque does the circumambulation prevail. Hindus invariably circumambulate around their deities. This is yet another proof that the Kaaba shrine is a pre-Islamic Indian Shiva temple where the Hindu practice of circumambulation is still meticulously observed.
The practice of taking seven steps- known as Saptapadi in Sanskrit- is associated with Hindu marriage ceremony and fire worship
….It might come as a stunning revelation to many that the word ‘ALLAH’ itself is Sanskrit. In Sanskrit language Allah, Akka and Amba are synonyms. They signify a goddess or mother.
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“Similarly the word ‘Namaz’ derives from two Sanskrit roots ‘Nama’ and ‘Yajna’ (NAMa yAJna) meaning bowing and worshipping.
Since the Kaaba has been an important centre of Shiva (Siva) worship from times immemorial, the Shivaratri festival used to be celebrated there with great gusto. It is that festival which is signified by the Islamic word Shabibarat. ..."

Daredevil,

Male, India
Dear friends,

The black stone ( Hajar al Aswad ) has been in Kaaba long before Prophet Muhammad era. It is from the era of Canaanite, Long before Indo-Aryan People came to Indian subcontinent, long before Hinduism got Its form like we know these days.

The sculptures in Kaaba were evolutionary invented by Arabian People before Prophet Muhammad era, and perhaps, there were some influences from other's faith like Egyptians faith, Proto Romano-Greek, Archaic Persian faith, or even Indo-Aryan faith ( Proto Hinduism ) and Desert people traditional believes.

I have a tendency to think that Kaaba sculptures are representation of Old-Arabian Gods symbols which was influenced by many faiths, not Hinduism Gods symbols.

Crescent Moon is not a symbol of Islam, It was a symbol of Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Took Crescent moon as their symbol after they conquered constantinopel. At that time, the people of Byzantine used the crescent moon as a symbol of Mary, Mother of Prophet Jesus.

The word Allah is derived from Canaanite Semitic language, The word Allah has cognates in Hebrew, Aramaic, and other Semitic languages, as Eli, Elia, Elohim, Illa...etc. The word Allah can not be from Indo-European language like Sanscrit since sanscrit language was much younger than Canaanite Semitic language. Indo-European languages have different words to reffer to God, such as Deo, Do, Theo, Deva, ....etc.

Muslims never treat the water of zam-zam as Holy water or sacred water or something like that. The Zam-zam water is just assumed as a kind of water that naturally contains high mineral contents and very low (almost zero) bacterial content.

The prophet Muhammad encouraged Muslims to respect them who have knowledge, It is not surprising if some Hindus as well as The Chinese (who have a lot of knowledge) were respected by Muslims in The prophet era.
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Not just respected, but highly respected.
hi Kabayan,

thats reallyvery good to know about the Allah and how it is derived. Its really new to me as i am a christian. Can u please say me why the people of Byzantine used cresent as a symbol of mary.

Robin
The Place of Prophet Ibrahim in Islam

Faith, sacrifice, commitment and patience.

These are just some of the qualities that characterize Prophet Ibrahim or Abraham as he is called in English (peace be upon him).

So it should come as no surprise that he is revered not just in Islam, but in Christianity and Judaism as well. Prophet Ibrahim is also a great personality to discuss in dialogues between Muslims, Jews and Christians. Here is some basic information about him from the three perspectives:

1. ISLAM

"Salam (peace) be upon Abraham!" God says in the Quran (37:109).

In Islam, Prophet Ibrahim is the friend of God and the father of Prophets (Ismail or Ishmael in English and Ishaq or Isaac and the grandfather of Prophet Yaqub or Jacob). He is also one of the ancestors of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him).

Anyone who rejects Prophet Ibrahim is not a true believer in Islam. Prophet Ibrahim plays a key role in this regard.

In terms of beliefs, a Muslim must believe in all of the Prophets. This includes not just Prophet Ibrahim, but his sons Ismail, Ishaq, his grandson Yaqub and of course his descendant Prophet Muhammad.

When it comes to the five pillars of Islam, the importance of Prophet Ibrahim becomes even more evident.

The second pillar of Islam is Salah, the obligatory five daily prayers. Every Muslim who has reached the age of puberty is accountable for their prayers, be he male or be she female, whether they live in the desert of northern Arabia, a village of northern Pakistan or an urban center of North America.

During one part of each of these five prayers, Muslims must ask God to send His blessings upon Prophet Ibrahim. Now calculate this: you've got more than a few million Muslims, every day, five times a day, in virtually every time zone on this planet asking God to send His blessings on Prophet Ibrahim in the course of his/her prayer.

More importantly, the direction in which every Muslim must face when praying is towards a structure Prophet Ibrahim built with his son Ismail: the Kaba , in Makkah, Saudi Arabia.

With regards to the Kaba, God says this about it: "The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka (another name for Makkah); full of blessings and guidance for all kinds of beings: in it are signs manifest, the station of Abraham-whoever enters it attains security; pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to God-those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, God stands not in need of any of His creatures"(Quran 3:96-97).

This leads to the second way in which this Prophet, described as the intimate friend of God (Quran 4:125), is revered: Hajj.

Hajj is the pilgrimage every Muslim must make to Makkah at least once in his/her lifetime. Hajj is also an obligation no Muslim is allowed to reject or ignore. It is in this rite that Prophet Ibrahim's importance becomes even more prominent.

In general, Prophet Ibrahim's centrality to this fifth pillar of Islam is indicated by the Prophet Mohammed's statement, You must adhere to the traditions and rituals (of Hajj), for these have come down to you from (your forefather) Ibrahim in heritage (Tirmidhi).

First, the Kaba is the central structure around which the Hajj takes place. No Hajj is valid without going around this structure built by Prophets Ibrahim and Ismail in counterclockwise fashion seven times.

Second, Muslims who perform the Hajj or Umra must run in the middle portion of the distance between Safa and Marwa (two hills close to the Kaba) seven times. This is a commemoration of the sacrifice of the wife of Abraham, Hajira (may God be pleased with her) for her son Prophet Ismail

Prophet Ibrahim had settled his wife and son in the valley of Makkah by God's order to pioneers a civilization. It was from this civilization that the Prophet Mohammed was born.

Finally, Prophet's Ibrahim's willingness to sacrifice his beloved son Ismail for the sake of God exemplifies not only his sincere devotion to God. The commemoration of this sacrifice is practiced with the sacrifice of an animal during Hajj and one of the two Islamic holy days: Eid-ul-Adha.

Both father and son willingly submitted to God's command. God substituted a ram in Ismail's place at the last moment. God talks about this incident in Quran 37:100-107.

The sacrifice that is offered by Muslims all over the world every year (at Eid-ul-Adha) is in commemoration of the supreme act and spirit of sacrifice offered by Prophet Abraham in lieu of his son Ismail.
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Brother King Robin,

I Would really like to give you the sources, but I don't know how to make a link like what Exclusive has done. Is it okay for us to explicitly mention the name of website in this forum ? If it is okay I'll do it, or ; anybody would like to help me how to make a link ?

In fact, there are several versions on How Ottoman Turks used Crescent moon ( and star ) as their symbol, but I found that Almost all Islam and Christian sources admit that Crescent moon is not symbol of Islam. Some sources say that Biblical refferences use moon symbol to highlight cosmic events.

Have you seen a film "The passion of Christ" ? Some conversations are in Aramaic if I'm not mistaken. From that movie you may hear that Jesus ( Peace be Upon Him ) is called Iyesu, similar to Iesa in Arabic. The Aramaic, Jesus mother tongue, was very similar to Arabic.

Three Abrahamic Faiths ( Jewish, Christian, Islam ) are derived from the same root, The religion of Abraham. From Muslim point of view, The religion of Abraham was Islam.

Brother Exclusive,

I'm sure that our Brothers/Sisters Christians have different version regarding the story of Prophet Ibrahim (Peace be Upon Him) sacrification.
Brother King Robin,

I Would really like to give you the sources, but I don't know how to make a link like what Exclusive has done. Is it okay for us to explicitly mention the name of website in this forum ? If it is okay I'll do it, or ; anybody would like to help me how to make a link ?

In fact, there are several versions on How Ottoman Turks used Crescent moon ( and star ) as their symbol, but I found that Almost all Islam and Christian sources admit that Crescent moon is not symbol of Islam. Some sources say that Biblical refferences use moon symbol to highlight cosmic events.

Have you seen a film "The passion of Christ" ? Some conversations are in Aramaic if I'm not mistaken. From that movie you may hear that Jesus ( Peace be Upon Him ) is called Iyesu, similar to Iesa in Arabic. The Aramaic, Jesus mother tongue, was very similar to Arabic.

Three Abrahamic Faiths ( Jewish, Christian, Islam ) are derived from the same root, The religion of Abraham. From Muslim point of view, The religion of Abraham was Islam.

Brother Exclusive,

I'm sure that our Brothers/Sisters Christians have different version regarding the story of Prophet Ibrahim (Peace be Upon Him) sacrification.
brother kabayan,

actually you are right ... if they write here what's their thoughts about it ... we can disscuss about it , right? we are muslim and our relagions says this...

so the other relagions ; what do they say about it ?

just let us know...

warm regards,

Brother Ad
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hi kabayan,

About Prophet Abraham, will not he take his 1st Son ISAC to sacrifice to GOD? I got to refer to it. Let me place this in my bible study class and get myself clear about it and let me talk to u then.

Discussion will be clear to all if the verses are mentioned.(both in Quran and Bible)

Robin
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