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Hi. Do we have to put the commas around the phrase "with him" (it was placed there for emphasis) in the following example sentence?

He saw him and, with him, he started a conversation.

How about this? Should there be commas around the phrase "with him," too? Thank you in advance for your help.

He saw him and, with him, started a conversation.

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. Do we have to put the commas around the phrase "with him" (it was placed there for emphasis) in the following example sentence?

He saw him and, with him, he started a conversation. With or without commas, I wouldn't say it is incorrect, but both versions are odd and unnatural.

Natural English is

eg He saw him and started a conversation with him.

eg He saw him and started a conversation.

How about this? Should there be commas around the phrase "with him," too? Thank you in advance for your help.

He saw him and, with him, started a conversation. Same comment as above.


Clive