Dear All:

I'm a new member in this forum. Lately, I really enjoy learning english grammar. I don't know where I got this idea, but apparently after I read "Discovering English Grammar" by Richard Veit. If you have read this book, I will glad to hear your's opinion whether you like or dislike it, and I will be happy, if you like share another books about grammar that you think interesting.


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Hi, I’ve kept a list of some of the books that folks have mentioned here on English forums.

“I highly recommend a book called "The Language Instinct" by Steven Pinker. Perhaps you've already heard of it.

“This analysis is from a new book: "The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language" by Rodney Huddleston and Geoffrey K. Pullum.

This book takes a different position from traditional authorities such as Quirk, et
al on certain fundamental grammar concepts.

Maybe meet me in the English Forums section called

General English grammar questions (EFL / ESL)

I’ll introduce you to the guys and gals who know more about grammar than me.
Hi Aileen:

Thx very much. I browsed in our library yesterday, apparently, "The Language Instinct" is available only in Japanese language, but I found another book from the same author. I couldn't find the rest books you mentioned. Emotion: sad

Thx also for your suggestion about General English Grammar Questions (EFL/ESL). I read around there, and I found many interesting topics. For this moment, I dont have spesific question concerning grammar.

Well, I'm a research scientist in engineering and I find, learning grammar and composition are so interesting. I feel relax while learning them.

One more thing, i'm reading and learning book ``Writing The Natural Way''. You know, although English is not my native language, but I have a dream that one day I should able to compose in English, because of a quite funny reason. You know why? After several years I left my country, I couldn't speak and write in my native language correctly.Emotion: smile So, I think, I really need to learn English. At least, I know a language and hopefully, I can use it correctly. Talk to you later.

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I’d be very interested to hread what people think about this book. A quick search on the Internet showed me that this book is recommended for advanced courses in English language, also, it’s an expensive book – roughly twice the price of other books I was browsing today. Apparently, it’s very popular and respected.

Review From the Back Cover

Understanding the structure of language is the key to better communication, but for many people, the boring basics of grammar seem tedious and unbearable. But in Veit's unique fashion of introducing grammar as a process of discovery, the author takes his readers on an inductive search for the structure of language. Taking a transformational approach to grammar, this book provides broad, thorough coverage of English grammatical structures. offering a current, enjoyable approach to language learning and communication.

By minimizing technical terms, Veit invites those with no prior training in syntax to explore the whole range of English constructions, from simpler to more complex topics, allowing readers to inductively discover the structure of the English language for themselves. Second-language learners, linguists, English and ESL educators.
Sometimes I use graph paper just to map things out clearly. It’s very useful.

Writing the Natural Way: Using Right Brain Techniques to Release Your Expressive Powers
Gabriele Lusser Rico

A quick review from the Internet

Writing the Natural Way centers on clustering, a technique for quickly making explicit the ideas and associations we have about a topic: To create a cluster, you begin with a nucleus word, circled, on a fresh page. Now you simply let go and begin to flow with any current of connections that come into your head. Write these down rapidly, each in its own circle, radiating outward from the center in any direction they want to go. Connect each new word or phrase with a line to the preceding circle. When something new and different strikes you, begin again at the central nucleus and radiate outward until those associations are exhausted. Clustering, like freewriting or writing practice, is another technique I use frequently to move ideas out of my head and onto paper. Often I will "cluster" about a topic, then freewrite based on the cluster I've created.
Hi Upa, I lost you! We’ve moved this topic to a new home. Never mind. I’ve noticed that the elves have already been busy with comments – hope they’re good.

Would you mind if I ask about the background of your name? I searched, because I’m interested in the history of baby names. I found an Indian Upa and something a little harder to pin down. Does this make any sense to you?

… Possibly from the Sanskrit Upa-Ghana-Stan, "land of the allied tribes"

Anyway, I’d love to hear what your reply might be about this. OK, chat later maybe?

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Honestly, my name is not Upasara Wulung. I rarely use my real name online, because present technology of search engine scared me. They can locate us easily.Emotion: smile

Here is my story. I'm an Indonesian. When I was kid, a novel of Musashi was translated to Indonesia language. Many people like that book. Hope you read it. I have one, and I can send you if you like. Free of charge. Emotion: big smile
Not long after that an Indonesia writer published a book similar to Musashi. He just changed the setting and introduced a new hero, a local hero who understood local culture and so on. The novel title is Senopati Pamungkas that has several meanings. Senopati is a degree or level in military long ago. Pamungkas means the last, or top one, nothing greater than Pamungkas. Pamungkas could mean the solver. So Senopati Pamungkas means a warrior (not a low rank soldier) who can solve everything or could mean the last warrior, or the greatest warrior. In Indonesia radio station, I have heard the DJ said "Tembang Pamungkas" which means the top 1 song. Hope you understand what Pamungkas means.

Upasara Wulung is not an Indonesia language, it is a javanese. Javanese is a major clan in Indonesia. In that story Upasara Wulung was selected as the Senopati Pamungkas. I like the story till now. He didn't know his father amd mother, and was selected and trained in a specific martial art school. The school was designed to produce the finest warrior that can bring the name of the kingdom to all places in this planet. I read this story long long ago. What I'm telling you may be inaccurate. Btw, the book just reprinted. In that book, if I remember correctly, Wulung means a kind of hawk or an eagle. The root of Upasara is upa, which could mean a bit of rice. In that story, Upasara like to introduce himself as Upa or I'm just a bit of rice, but should readed as i'm nothing. Rice is the main food there, so a bit of rice worths nothing.

Btw, i prefer email than chatting. You know, working person. Emotion: big smile

Yes, you are right. I think the key is two, first to use the right hemisphere of brain for the brainstorming. Using a graph on a paper will be a great tool. The second key is to use the left hemisphere of brain to rearrange those ideas into a coherent composition.

And you know, this idea can be applied not only in a story composition, but also in writing a technical paper.

About the book Discovering English Grammar. Pedagogically, this book is great. The book pressumed that everybody have already know the grammar subconsiously. Using a few examples, we can find the pattern of the sentences, and then we can derive the governing rule and corvert that knowledge to our conscious mind. Just like we invent the grammar by ourselves.

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