Dear guys,

I have observed that Western people based their happiness and personal success more on social relationships comparing to the Eastern people. I'm a Chinese, and in our place, solitude really is not a problem, as long as we work hard. But what about in the West? Would the introverts be sort of bullied at school, having no friends and being called "strange", etc... would they suffer these more severely?
Hi Qack,

I'm not sure about bullying rates in China, but in my experience, introverts are bullied at school and at work, in many Western countries. One of the most common tactics I know, conducted expertly by groups of girls at school, is social exclusion, where introverts are completely ostracised. The danger of social exclusion is explained by this extract:

"Because inclusion in social groups has been a key to survival for social animals deep into the past, we propose that threats to one’s social connections are processed at a basic level as a severe threat to one’s safety. In fact, we believe that such threats are partly mediated by the same system that processes physical pain because the pain system was already in place when social animals evolved adaptations for responding to social exclusion."
Source: [url=""]Why Does Social Exclusion Hurt? The Relationship Between Social and Physical Pain, GM[/url]

I think that, in Eastern cultures, there is a link between suicide rates and the emphasis on achievement through hard work. However, this is nothing more than an assumption, and the only evidence I have are these WHO figures:

CHINA (Selected rural & urban areas) 1999: 13.0 males, 14.8 females per 100,000 (27.8)
CHINA (Hong Kong SAR) 1999: 16.7 males, 9.8 females per 100,000 (26.5)
JAPAN 1999: 36.5 males, 14.1 females per 100,000 (50.6)
UNITED KINGDOM 1999: 11.8 males, 3.3 females per 100,000 (15.1)
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 1999: 17.6 males, 4.1 females per 100,000 (21.7)
Source: [url=""]Suicide Rates, World Health Organisation[/url]


"Historically, persons who kill themselves have been regarded as introverts, internalizers, in sharp contrast to those [extroverts] who take out their aggression on others."
Source: [url=""]The Psychology of Suicide, KVW[/url]

"The US has 18 times as many citizens per capita in prisons and jails than Japan."

Figures quoted per 100,000:
Japan: 1.4
US: 9.4
Japan: 2.2
US: 40.3
Japan: 1.8
US: 253
Japan: 8.9
US: 489
Japan: 11.1
US; 114.1
Japan: 28.5
US: 340.3
Japan: 35.9
US 666.7

Source: [url=" "]World Incarceration and Murder Rates, The Christian Party[/url]

It is strange, that even though there is a strong emphasis on social achievement in Western cultures, there is a huge prevalance of antisocial behaviour. This brings to mind something I had read about a French psychologist who sought to help sociopaths by forcing them through months on end of highly strenuous manual labour. The aim of the project was to give the sociopaths a sense of achievement, the lack of which, as the psychologist theorised, caused antisocial behaviour. Whether this was actually a preventive measure to keep sociopaths away from the rest of society, or a "cure" that would help them integrate, I do not know.
thanks for your information mat~ are you a health care worker too? me too.

the suicidal rate can really be due to a lot of things. whether hard work causes more mental distress to the Chinese, i feel that probably not (but maybe it is now in the new China?). our culture is one that's acustomed in striving for daily living. with a long history of pain and poverty but the accumulated wisdom, we just learn to do our best on daily matters. as you may have observed among the Chinese around you, we just innately work hard. i'm not trying to be patriotic, because I learned that this old wise culture of us also means the taking away of the young spirit to dream and to grow out of the worldly boundary, a gracious habit found in the Western culture, one that is comparatively younger.

but for the very high suicidal rate among Japanese male, with my limited knowledge of her culture, i guess that it is an expected phenomenon in the post-war Japan. if you might know the Japanese are actually very patriotic (or self centred), as evidenced by their philosophy of going to war during WWII, and are trying to copy everything from the West and then to be better. and so the Japanese citzens, despite their facinating ways of entertainment, are all suffering from great stress.

i'm very interested in psychology, but i havent learned the dynamics behind the antisocial personality. the way of putting them into hard labour sounds good though.

sorry for lacking a focus in my reply. i just enjoy discussing about anything really.

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are you a health care worker too? me too.

Here you should have left out "me too", because the first "too" already implies that you are a health care worker. Alternatively, you could have said, "Are you a health care worker? I am." or, "Are you a health care worker, like me?"

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Joe: "I'm a health care worker."
Pete: "Me too."
Joe: "So we are both health care workers."

I'm not a health care worker, but I also enjoy discussing anything.
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