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well, I think the main problem is that"what is God? which characteristics do we assume for him? how do we define him" A I know, every religions defines God in a different way. some people even think believe a creator who created the rules of the world, and stood aside and let the world to go forward. anyway, I think we can not judge easily and relate God to misunderstanding of facts, there are opposite proofs in both sides of believers and unbelievers.

it is a controversial topic, and maybe there is no way to figure out if he is or not, everybody has his/ her own belief, it is important to keep our beliefs personal and do not compel anybody to obey it.

Good Luck!
Do we really need religion?

Emotion: thinking Maybe so, in an odd sort of way.

Without religion we wouldn't have such a good grasp of what it is that we must ultimately transcend.

You don't have to use the training wheels forever, you know, and you probably shouldn't unless it's absolutely necessary. Emotion: smile

CJ
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Do we really need religion?

If religion was only based on false belief but was not harmful in any significant way, that might be okay. But religion has many harmful consequences, some of which are listed below (in no particular order).

1) Religion is a colossal waste of human effort and of money.

2) It is another vehicle for a relatively small group of people to (try to) control the many.

3) Religion fosters or at least gives some support to other illogical thinking.

4) Religion is another way to make people 'different' from each other, with the result of sometimes hating and killing each other.

There is as much reason to believe in God, or any other supernatural power, as there is to believe that the center of the moon is filled with chocolate. Neither belief has any theoretical or evidentiary support.

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My goal was not to insult anybody or cause any other distress. I am just giving my opinion on this controversial topic.
... as much reason ... that the center of the moon is filled with chocolate.

It's not? Emotion: crying What a bummer! Emotion: big smile

Nice "Big Four" there.

CJ
CalifJimWithout religion we wouldn't have such a good grasp of what it is that we must ultimately transcend.
Who says we must transcend anything? That's a weird notion to all but those who think there is something to 'transcend' lololol
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canadian45... on this controversial topic.
It is only controversial if two opposing people or groups insist that their belief must be forced upon each other or others. To me, and I note for several others, this topic isn't controversial. It's just a way of killing time between finishing work and Christmas Eve or something.

Tolerence and sorting out one's own life is more important than getting hot under the collar about if the moon is filled with chocolate or not.
Mike in JapanWho says we must transcend anything? That's a weird notion to all but those who think there is something to 'transcend' lololol
It's a rhetorical 'must'. You don't have to. But maybe you'll feel better if you do - or maybe you have already. Emotion: big smile

CJ
I simply don't believe there is anything to 'transcend' - unless it is the notion of needing to transcend something or other. Emotion: it wasnt me
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Spikey OneIt is only controversial if two opposing people or groups insist that their belief must be forced upon each other or others. I quite disagree. Forcing something upon others is far past just being contoversial.

To me, and I note for several others, this topic isn't controversial. Of course it's controversial! There are extremes of belief, and for some it's life and deqth issue.

Tolerence and sorting out one's own life is more important I agree. than getting hot under the collar about if the moon is filled with chocolate or not. Again you are missing the mark. I am not "getting hot under the collar". I am just giving my strong opinion that there is no good reason to believe in any supernatural power and that such erroneous beliefs also have harmful consequences.
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