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Hi!

I'd like to know whether you have heard of Estuary English, and would you describe it?
is it an accent you would like to have?

please do tell me whatever you feel to say about this accent.

Cheers

T.
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hi

i am italian and i'm doing a thesis on RP and Estuary English, too.
i'm beginning it just know so i'm not so well prepared about it . i'd like to
find sth'g about the cultural background about estuary english as a mirror
of the linguistic change.... i'm speaking about movies, soaps like eastenders,
plays etc

i wish someone could help meEmotion: smile

bye
alessia
I live in the area (groan...) and I'm catching elements of EE.

It is so called because it is the prevalent accent around the Thames Estuary, from roughly the Thames barrier down to Southend on Sea.

I guess it is a mixture of cockney and general south London accents, with a little bit of the original Essex accent (which was a rural area once - you can still hear the original Essex 'country' accent in the north of the county sometimes).

It is considered a rather 'common' way of speaking. Funnily enough, although my parents were both working class Londoners, they brought their children up to avoid the strongest elements of the accents. And my son doesn't speak in the same way as most of his peers even though we are firmly working class - we are snobs I suppose, but I think it an ugly accent, and it tends to make you sound rather dim.

It's hard to describe an accent. There are patterns to the speech though, and it is quite ungrammatical at times, for example:
Using the word 'yorn' for yours (I think a contraction of 'your one').
Using yous for plural you.
Using 'we was' they was' 'you was' instead of were. (also we wasn't etc)
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thank you very much for your answer ...
i would like to know if estuary english is widely spoken in the London area or
if there are more people that think it is an ugly accent...

and could you tell me some important people who spoke with
that accent... i heard about tony blair ..is it true?

well, now i'm looking for films where i can find actors speaking EE
but i'm a little bit confused... e.g. in SNATCH or LOCK STOCK
the actors speak with a very marked accent... it is cockney or EE???

thanks in advance
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best wishes
alessia
EE is primarily spoken near London rather than in London.

I wouldn't say Tony Blair speaks it.

I'll try and think of a few famous examples for you.

It's tricky though, as the accents around here are blurring a lot and people tend to speak elements of different ones. There's also an accent we call 'mockney', which is where middle/upper class people affect a lower class London accent (mock cockney - get it?).
Perfect esamples:

Posh spice/Victoria Beckham and David Beckham
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'allo T,

Due to my lack of proper educashun I wuddent say as ow I know much abart a eschewary english accent. I know its bin arahnd a fair bit an its nah spoken practical all over england (litrall). I fink ther's four reasons for it's spred:
1. In the nine'een seven'ies 'n' eigh'ies, Teecher's of english in ar schools to'ally ignored the poor speech ov their pupils 'n' failed to correct bad 'abits in a disastrus attempt at social engineerin'.
2. To support this, they began to copy this poor bu' amusing speech in their own middle clarss circles, where it became, as 'as been written elsewhere on this fread, a fad in some perver'id form of reversed snobbry.
3. The middle (bisness, professnal) clarsses soon perceived that their famous public school arccent was alinating the vast marki' of the lower clarsses 'n' consequen'ly began the process of dumbin' dahn spoken english
4. The si'uation 'as now been exacerbated by that former bastion 'n' protec'or ov the english langwidge, the BBCTV, making a eschewary english accent (real or pu' on) compulsry for all its yoof presen'ers. I 'eard from my mate at the palace, even royal'y are usin' it at 'ome.

Personally, myself, eschewary english is anaffma to me. I 'ate it. Its ugly, common, 'n' shows a lack a education. Worse, it makes the user sound reelly stoopid.

As poor ol Bill S, god rest 'is sole, would say, "it offen's my ear".

PS it's more than a accent nah - its a dialect.

T, 'av a nice one and be lu'y!
Hi , um this is not really answering yer question om sorry. I am an english speaker, of american english. East coastal without much of an accent. I am moving to South East London at somepoint in the next year or two. Ive gotten quite a liking to EE.
I was wondering if anyone knew of any Wav. files that helped develop the accent/dialect?
If anyone can help please email me at

thank you
Stephanie
Estuary English is considered as a link between the low-class Cockney and the high-class
RP . EE is spreading so fast that grammarians are saying this accent will replace RP as the the standard after some years . One big difference between the EE and Cockney speakers is that :

Cockney speakers ALWAYS use the glottal stop . EE speakers also use the glottal stop for " t " only when the " t " is at the end of a word . EE speakers pronounce the T in between consotants . I think , Mockney and EE's the same .
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hi, in my opinion you are completely wrong, estuary english is a mixture of all the commons races in englands take on english, pakistani, indians carribians , ethnic africans from africa in the past 5 years, all the different accents in public council school n mostly the 'poor' ghetto areas. its similiar to 'eubonics'
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