[This is an offtopic from the thread "US intervention"]

Ruslana,


RuslanaIf you have no plans to visit Russia, then DO NOT try to discuss our "liberty and justice", because you are misinformed about it.


I want to make this clear. I have nothing against you or the Russian culture. I have never been there and know zero about it. That said, if I were misinformed then so are millions around the world. I need not say much about what took place in the eyes of the world with the Russian military maneuvering this past weeks. I have no plans to visit Russia should not strip my right to talk about issues around the world or at least express my opinions. I can say the same thing about your understanding of how we live as Americans. I perhaps don know much in the way of the current Russian life. I did however work with a few Polish Russians who escaped the “iron curtain”.

How much of Russian life has changed over the last two decades is still in question, but according to the way you described it in the past posts. Russia now has a better living environment than the US, as far as “liberty and justice” are concerned. I don’t know you and have no idea about your background and how you lived, but I can tell you this, I can say what I want as long as my opinion is not to harm or affect other people. I can express my opinion or anger about any issue, even the way I feel about our president and no one, not even any government agency can tell me what I can or I can’t say. Can you do that in Russia? I have traveled to many countries and seen how life is in other lands. This blessing gave me a perspective how lives differ from land to land, and I am always glad to come back on American soil. One thing that bothers me a great deal is that in recent years, “political correctness” driven by the progressive minds has robbed the freedom of speech and liberty to express from us. Now we have to be careful in choosing words we used in our speech.
”Fat” is now an offensive word. You have to lesson the meaning with the word “obese” because it’s more socially acceptable, but to whose standard?

Ironically, we can talk about how our president screwed up royally with no residual effects but we will suffer and risk legal consequences if we were to call someone fat.

Anyway, I have no problem with opposing opinions, but I do mind what I am told what to do and what no to do, Is this the communication Russian style?

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I'm not expressing opinions of all Russians or anything you would wish to call "Russian style", I'm talking as myself.
Two great nation looking one on another in curved mirror of propaganda and mass media .
Goodman I can express my opinion or anger about any issue, even the way I feel about our president and no one, not even any government agency can tell me what I can or I can’t say. Can you do that in Russia?

- Yes , I can . Cursing the our goverment with any or without any cause - is russian national custom )))) . But i hear the story about student in USA , who ask in bibliotec the "little red book" and meet with FBI agent week after.
I do not know truth it or no.
Goodman”Fat” is now an offensive word. You have to lesson the meaning with the word “obese” because it’s more socially acceptable, but to whose standard?
- same thing trying to install in Russia but still he gained only jokes.
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I am talking about speaking out against your government without suffering any adverse consequences from The KGB or any agency. Can you really do that in ? In some of the former communist countries like Vietnam, and North Korea and China for that matter, although the watchful eyes of the governments are easing and there is a sign of what looks like free speech, as long as it’s not infringing or referring anything in the way of criticizing the government. I know is relaxing its grip on free speech and most people in general are not afraid to express their opinions whereas a decade ago was a taboo but I have to remind the readers, that we can not measure freedom of speech with the same measuring stick of the western world as yet.

While the developing world is improving free speech, the general public in the is suffering from the mental disease call “political correctness”. i.e. Ghetto is now low-income neighborhood. Transsexual or people who do it with both men and women now are called special genders, the list goes on…. We should respect other and derogatory reference should not be used to dehumanize others, but we can keep making new rules to restrict the majority for the sin of the misbehaving minority. The western culture is being taken over slowly by special interests and that influence is so great that it penetrates the many layers of governments. Who gets the shaft at the end? The little people!
Sorry , but KGB in his best time had too little man and too wide duty to control all speech in the Russia. Need more serious crime to people , than just speech , for meet KGB agent . "Politicall correctness" is madness , i agreed. I hope he never will be install in Russia .
Hey guys,

I've splitted the thread so we didn't go offtopic. Emotion: wink
GoodmanI am talking about speaking out against your government without suffering any adverse consequences from The KGB or any agency. Can you really do that in Russia?

Goodman, first of all I want to tell you that I don't have anything against you either.

If you're anyhow interested in the present situation with freedom of speech in Russia, I can give you some examples from my own and my relatives' experience. (Because I'm sick and tired of talks based on "secondary" sources such as mass media.)

Nowadays you can walk in the street and discuss, scream, or shout outloud any anti-government slogans, and you'll hardly be caught by police (unless you turn mere words into vandalism, riots or stuff like that). People around will rather take you as a crazy, mad, or odd guy, and will hardly pay any attention to your behaviour. Once I was riding in the metro and there was an old man beside grumbling (using PLENTY of unprintable words as well) about Putin's government and actions. No "KGB agents" (by the way, KGB hasn't existed from the USSR collapse) came to take him, and no people anyhow took seriously his abuse, in fact.

Of course, it was not always like that in the USSR. My grand-grand-mother was sent into exile for she had some carelessness of speaking "wrong things" about the regime (in those times, we say, even walls had ears!). It happened in 1938 or 1939 - I don't remember precisely. She was in exile during all the war, and returned to Moscow just after its end.

I don't know whether you'll believe me or not and what conclusions you'll make about this issue.
But what I want to make clear is that for me, personally, it's quite obvious that no one will arrest you or anything for "bad" references about the government here. And thus, again - personally, I live without any fear of saying things "wrong" on ANY subject - political or ordinary (you can call people any "terrible" & unprintable words you know - it depends on your culture and vocabulary, lol - no one will sue you for that, you'll just spoil relations with those people you're talking to), or whatever.
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I will take your account as the “truth”.
[ by the way, KGB hasn't existed from the USSR collapse] This is equivalent to me saying The is not watching us.

From your perspective, may be doing better than we are in the . At least you don’t get sued by special interests like we do here when we use the wrong choice of words. In some ways, our radio air waves now are being censored by the progressive movement. A few radio talk show hosts now are wrangling with law suits by ACLU backed groups, and may I point out that some have Muslim ties. Go figure!
GoodmanI will take your account as the “truth”.

Well, it would be better if you took it simply as "my experience". Emotion: wink

Goodman[ by the way, KGB hasn't existed from the USSR collapse] This is equivalent to me saying The CIA is not watching us.

I mean it officially hasn't existed. Emotion: stick out tongue

GoodmanI am talking about speaking out against your government without suffering any adverse consequences from The KGB or any agency. Can you really do that in Russia?

An individual on the street may get away with that because the incident is too insignificant but the leadership of the country has made it virtually impossible for any real opposition to develop. All major TV stations are controlled by Putin and his buddies and anyone thinking of criticizing the president and the prime minister in earnest on TV or in the press can expect a sad fate. Journalists have been killed and those responsible haven't been found. This what Reporters Without Borders writes about the freedom of press in Russia:
"Russia (144th) is not progressing. Anna Politkovskaya’s murder in October 2006, the failure to punish those responsible for murdering journalists, and the still glaring lack of diversity in the media, especially the broadcast media, weighed heavily in the evaluation of press freedom in Russia."
Read more about press freedom in the world [url=http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=24025 ]here.[/url]
You can read Amnesty International's opinion about the death of Anna Politkovskaya and other human rights activists [url=http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/Anna-Politkovskaya-remembered-20071003 ]here.[/url] The gist of it is:
"One year ago, on 7 October, she was murdered outside her flat in Moscow.

This was almost certainly because of her work as a journalist, in which she exposed human rights violations throughout Russia. Amnesty International believes that the handling of the criminal investigation into her death to date shows that there is little political will to bring those who ordered the killing to justice."


[url=http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=17680 ]Here[/url] is another Amnesty report about decreasing press freedom in Russia.
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