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Oh indeed - and a fine job they do when ... of even further clamp-down are voiced annually at budget time.

It doesn't automatically follow that the source of their funding determines the content of their programming. It doesn't with the BBC, for example (AFAIK).

PBS has been drifting towards the right in recent years, and I take it for granted that this is the result of fear that the right-wing Congress may cut their funding even more than has been done to this point. That's why I can't think of it as a private corporation any more than I can think of Amtrak or the US Postal Service as private corporations, however private they are in a technical, legal sense.

Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com
PBS has been drifting towards the right in recent years, and I take it for granted that this is the ... think of Amtrak or the US Postal Service as private corporations, however private they are in a technical, legal sense.

I thought USPS was an "independent agency" - meaning governmental but not associated with a cabinet department - not private.
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It doesn't automatically follow that the source of their funding determines the content of their programming.

Agreed in the sense that I can't make you broadcast stuff that is more to my liking, but I sure as heck can curtail your broadcasting stuff that is not to my liking.
Then on top of this, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that more people get to keep their jobs the more the content is agreeable to my (the funder's) sensibilities. I may never say it directly in those terms, but an analysis of the total budget of our local "membership" station shows that they have been growing an empire (i.e. total expenditure in excess of inflation) for the last few decades - which is of course to be lauded - but that means so many more careers/jobs of "managers" are at stake. This is as opposed to the early days when a few long- haired activists ran the show who would as lief have spit in your eye as modify their content to please you.
It doesn't with the BBC, for example (AFAIK).

I do so wish that I could compare a house full of MP's and Auntie Beeb on the one hand, with Congress and PBS on the other.
And the British equivalent of the FCC and son-of-Colin-Powell is...?
Just comparing the one house with the other (let alone the respective broadcasting entities) is grist for a rant that could cover many pages. Just the chapters headed
"Integrity" and "Cost of winning a seat and repayment thereof" would be enough to boggle the mind
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You mean the commas in the following? "('Public Broadcasting System,' a government-owned network)" and "The subject discussed in the first ... finding past material in Google Groups archive and slashes are used in these groups for pronunciations represented in ASCII IPA.)

I Oy!ed PBS ("Public Broadcasting System," a government-owned network) . You quoted the name of something of which the comma is not a part. How can this be anyone's standard practice?

It's like saying, "Last night I watched "Mask," a great film" instead of "Last night I watched "Mask", a great film."
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That's why I can't think of it as a private ... corporations, however private they are in a technical, legal sense.

I thought USPS was an "independent agency" - meaning governmental but not associated with a cabinet department - not private.

From their own booklet:
http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/pubs/pub100/pub100.htm The United States Postal Service
An American History 1775 - 2002
Publication 100
September 2003
On August 12, 1970, President Nixon signed into law the most comprehensive postal legislation since the founding of the Republic, Public Law 91-375, the Postal Reorganization Act.

The Post Office Department was transformed into the United States Postal Service, an independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States. The mission of the Postal Service remained the same, as stated in Title 39 of the U.S. Code:
The Postal Service shall have as its basic function the obligation to provide postal services to bind the Nation together through the personal, educational, literary, and business correspondence of the people. It shall provide prompt, reliable, and efficient services to patrons in all areas and shall render postal services to all communities.
The new Postal Service officially began operations on July 1, 1971, when the Postmaster General ceased to be a member of the President's cabinet. The Postal Service received:
Operational authority vested in a Board of Governors and Postal Service executive management, rather than in Congress.

Authority to issue public bonds to finance postal buildings and mechanization.
Direct collective bargaining between representatives of management and the unions.
A new rate-setting procedure, built around an independent Postal Rate Commission.
That's quite different from a private corporation. Yes, "independent establishment" but "of the executive branch of the Government of the United States."

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You mean the commas in the following? "('Public Broadcasting System,' ... used in these groups for pronunciations represented in ASCII IPA.)

I Oy!ed PBS ("Public Broadcasting System," a government-owned network) . You quoted the name of something of which the ... like saying, "Last night I watched "Mask," a great film" instead of "Last night I watched "Mask", a great film."

You ask "How can this be anyone's standard practice?" That's like asking, "How can it be anyone's standard practice to write 'favourite' for 'favorite'?" (If there were a period instead of a question mark there, it would go inside both the single and double ending quotation marks: "He wondered how it could be anyone's standard practice to write 'favourite' for 'favorite.'")

Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com
I Oy!ed PBS ("Public Broadcasting System," a government-owned network) . You quoted the name of something of which the ... like saying, "Last night I watched "Mask," a great film" instead of "Last night I watched "Mask", a great film."

I keep forgetting if you're the Don in the Northwest or the Don in the Midwest, but I know you're in the US. Here's typical style advice, in the US:
The Guide to Grammar and Writing
http://www.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/quotation.htm

In the United States, periods and commas go inside quotation marks regardless of logic. ...
In the United Kingdom, Canada, and islands under the influence of British education, punctuation around quotation marks is more apt to follow logic. In
American style, then, you would write: My favorite poem is Robert Frost's "Design." But in England you would write: My favorite poem is Robert Frost's
"Design".
(That page has more about other marks and combinations.)
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PBS has been drifting towards the right in recent years, and I take it for granted that this is the ... think of Amtrak or the US Postal Service as private corporations, however private they are in a technical, legal sense.

The US Postal Service is not a private corporation, nor is it a corporation at all in the usual sense. It's an independent federal agency masquerading as a non-agency entity masquerading further as a would-be profit-making enterprise.
Amtrak (The National Railroad Passenger Corporation) is a nominally "private" corporation owned (for all practical purposes), controlled and heavily subsidized by the federal government. I say that makes it a non-private corporation, and I can't see how it can usefully be classified as "private". Private has to mean privately-owned, at least in substantial part. I'd call Amtrak a state enterprise.

I think in both cases the cultural abhorrence of socialism is what leads to the weird structuring and characterizations of these entities.

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I thought USPS was an "independent agency" - meaning governmental but not associated with a cabinet department - not private.

From their own booklet: http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/pubs/pub100/pub100.htm The United States Postal Service An American History 1775 - 2002 Publication 100 September 2003 ... into the United States Postal Service, an independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States.

That "establishment" is a weird choice of words (but it's what was used by Congress in setting up the USPS). It's like they wanted to go out of their way not to use the word "agency".
In the case of Amtrak, the organizational statute actually says "Amtrak is not an agency" (ask Liebs whether such a legislative statement has any legal significance).

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