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Hi there, I would like to ask whether the phrases: process of creating, a strenghthening of the protection, the holding of elected office, voting is not compulsory and making appropriate substitutions are gerunds or verbal nouns. Thak you in advance...B.
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<< e.g. Did you attend the meeting last night?
His savings were gone. >>


Yes, I see your point.
In these examples we'd be less inclined to think of "meeting" and "savings" as gerunds. And they'd definitely have their own dictionary listings as nouns.

We have the same sort of thing with past participles which are used as adjectives. Some have separate listings and some do not. In fact, dictionaries sometimes disagree on on which ones to list.
So, do you think that all these examples mentioned in the first question are still gerund? Emotion: smile
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Compare these words:

Saving money is difficult. (The underlined is a gerund. It has the properties of a verb, taking an object, and denotes an action or state.)

His savings were depleted. (This is a noun derived from a verb. It cannot take an object, and it does not denote an action or a state.)

Quote from the source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerund

Not all nouns that are identical in form to the present participle are gerunds.
The formal distinction is that a gerund is a verbal noun – a noun derived from a verb that retains verb characteristics, that functions simultaneously as a noun and a verb, while other nouns in the form of the present participle (ending in -ing) are deverbal nouns, which function as common nouns, not as verbs at all.
AnonymousSo, do you think that all these examples mentioned in the first question are still gerund?
Yes, I do.

Regarding the two examples you provided later (meeting[ s ] & saving[ s ] ), context and syntax would determine whether they function as gerunds or as non-gerunds. In your example sentences, I believe the sense of action is lost.

There was a meeting yesterday. (not a gerund)

There was a meeting of the minds yesterday. (arguably a gerund -- there's more than one way to look at it.)
Anonymousprocess of creating (something), Gerund
a strengthening of the protection, V.Noun
the holding of elected office, V.Noun
voting is not compulsory ... Gerund
making appropriate substitutions Gerund
You are using very old-fashioned terminology. See answers above, which conform to this ancient terminology.

If it has an article, it is certainly a verbal noun in this old system.
If it has an object, it is certainly a gerund.
Absent either of these, it may impossible to guess, but the absence of an article tends to make the judgment "Gerund" more likely.
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See my (admittedly somewhat opinionated) post at gerund or verbal noun

where I argue against the use of a terminological distinction between these two grammatical patterns.

CJ
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Hi, Jim,
Does the term "deverbal noun" have modern relevance?

Thanks, - A.
AvangiHi, Jim,Does the term "deverbal noun" have modern relevance?Thanks, - A.
Yes. It's any noun derived from verb by 'deverbing' it.

to win > a win
to purchase > a purchase
to find > a finding
to speak > a speech
to construct > construction
to decide > decision
to abandon > abandonment
to paralyze > paralysis
to acquiesce > acquiescence

CJ
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