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That's the same thing I pointed out, the "unclear referent" for the pronoun "its". You couldn't find anything better either, then.

It is written like that dumb jock giving his final presentation speech before the entire student body in "Bill and ... football rules!", and the kids go nuts, shouting and clapping and cheering their fool heads off. The teachers are dismayed.

That's all very apt. But I think Donna's point is that this particular example isn't a hell of a lot worse and is frankly much better than reams and reams and reams of stuff one encounters every day.

I fail to see why this particular excerpt from a student's paper should be posted in a newsgroup and ridiculed as a particularly foul piece of nonsensical writing.

Cheers, Harvey
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On 26 May 2005, Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote

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It is written like that dumb jock giving his final ... and cheering their fool heads off. The teachers are dismayed.

That's all very apt. But I think Donna's point is that this particular example isn't a hell of a lot ... from a student's paper should be posted in a newsgroup and ridiculed as a particularly foul piece of nonsensical writing.

Agreed. In fact I dream of teaching students with this level of insight.
DC
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I didn't get the joke when FRAN posted, and I ... be "post-modern"? Unclear on the concept Donna Richoux

While other posters are correct to say it's a waffle, what's funny about it and what makes it "POMO" (post-modern) ... or form of the protests over globalisation? So that's mere gobbledegook. Where's Bob Lieblich when you need him? cheers Chrissy

When hubby sat down, to mark, he swallowed a glass of scotch to get him in the mood, and I joined him. After all the posters here missed what seemed obvious, I was beginning to wonder if it was simply the case that Black Douglas and marking papers don't mix, but I'm relieved to see that I wasn't alone in thinking this an intellectually execrable, thoough laughable post-modern drivel.
Fran
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Where's Bob Lieblich when you need him?

Yes, where is his honor, that judicial fellow?

Hey, I've been up and running for almost a week now on my new Dell, dude.
On the merits, I prefer to be judicious in this instance. I agree with everyone who has posted to this thread.
Well ...
I have faint recollections of writing similar stuff as a yoot. I once wrote an answer to an exam question (in a Humanities course) on De Rerum Naturae by Lucretius. Not only had I not read the book I couldn't remember the author's name. I still got a B on the final and a B+ in the course, and that was back when the average grade was a C. Never underestimate the ability to produce grammatical English at a rapid pace, even if it says little or nothing.
As *** goes, the original example strikes me as pretty mediocre it almost says something (let's not be thinking that Donna's naive), and it's hardly outrageous.

Bob Lieblich
Not all that judgely
On 26 May 2005, Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus ... and ridiculed as a particularly foul piece of nonsensical writing.

Agreed. In fact I dream of teaching students with this level of insight. DC

I won't tell hubby that! He'll be crying on your behalf.

Fran
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How people use the term, or where it fits into ... form of the protests over globalisation? So that's mere gobbledegook.

When hubby sat down, to mark, he swallowed a glass of scotch to get him in the mood, and I ... mix, but I'm relieved to see that I wasn't alone in thinking this an intellectually execrable, thoough laughable post-modern drivel.

I'd rather like a paragraph from each of you that defines what 'post-modern' means. If it refers to it as something in reaction of 'modernism', include what that is too.

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Hand hewn by the well schooled shanks
To hold tight the juices from your soul
Before they're sucked clean out a hole
Like a black widow does its mate.
There's the bell, don't be late!
While other posters are correct to say it's a waffle, ... gobbledegook. Where's Bob Lieblich when you need him? cheers Chrissy

When hubby sat down, to mark, he swallowed a glass of scotch to get him in the mood, and I ... but I'm relieved to see that I wasn't alone in thinking this an intellectually execrable, thoough laughable post-modern drivel. Fran

I've just looked up 'Black Douglas' - a 'grain and malt blend' "which appeals to Australians"?
Buy your man a proper Malt Fran, he'll get through the marking nae problem.
DC
When hubby sat down, to mark, he swallowed a glass ... in thinking this an intellectually execrable, thoough laughable post-modern drivel.

I'd rather like a paragraph from each of you that defines what 'post-modern' means. If it refers to it as something in reaction of 'modernism', include what that is too.

I'd rather like a new car, a holiday in the Seychelles. a bottle of Laphroaig and a copy of the Genesis lyrics book thanks.

DC
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When hubby sat down, to mark, he swallowed a glass ... in thinking this an intellectually execrable, thoough laughable post-modern drivel.

I'd rather like a paragraph from each of you that defines what 'post-modern' means. If it refers to it as something in reaction of 'modernism', include what that is too.

Having read some of what you write in other NGs you don't write as a post-modern.Post-modernism is a reaction to the empiricism and utilitarianism that is seen as intrinsic to modernism. Oddly, given what I wrote above, its point of departure is human subjectivity. In comparatively short order, when the desire to reinsert the human subject and his or her perspectives into the social world was expressed as something measurable in academic and other discourses, the focus shifted from the mind to human expression, texts (graphic and other), and the struggle over meaning that these counterposed texts implied.

The coterminous growth of cyberspace gave enormous impetus to post-modern ideas, in large part because the movement of texts and the intepretation of text became far easier. People could be anyone they liked in cyberspace. Graphics could be amended and put into new contexts with consummate ease. People could be subjects and objects of "discourse" at the same time.Of course, the flexibility of post-modern thinking allowed its supporters to slide easily between different intellectual traditions and usages. The Critical Theory or "Frankfurt School" tradition (google for Adorno, Horkheimer, Habermas) started long before post-modernism, but was enthusiastically taken up by post-modern thinkers, as was "western" or humanistic or "cultural" Marxism, the work of Foucault, Baudrillard, Baudelaire and the "deconstructionists" and semioticians like Judith Williamson.

John Berger's "Ways of Seeing" was an excellent example of post-modern conceptualisations are considered a post-modern approach to photography. Post-modern approaches can be found in art, and it is widely asserted that Andy Warhol's pop-art was a source of inspiration for them, as is "Indy music" and there are of course post-modern architecture styles, where they are often interested in "the meanings attached to public and private spaces". Mona Lisa Overdrive and even "Hitchhikers Guide ..." are considered post-modern literature.
Much of our contemporary language in academia is now inextricably associated with post-modernism, regardless of its origins. (They would like this since in their view, the whole of human endeavour can be reduced to the struggle over meaning and text). Words like "narrative" describe history, and Marxism and christianity are seen as flawed because they are "metanarratives". The word "ideology" was largely replaced in post-modernism by "discourse" (we can largely thank Foucault for that), and especially "discourses on power".

That's a few too many paragraphs, but I was feeling generous, if that's the best word for the action of someone retailing this guff.

cheers
Chrissy
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