re: Hindi, English And The Future page 4

The English language, India's window on the world!

In India . . .

Don't use a firangee term to call my homeland the name is Bharat.

The official English name used by the Government of India is "India". Unless you are even more deranged than generally perceived, you should realize that these are English-language newsgroups.

. . . there are many parents who are totally illiterate.

"Illeterate"? Define illiterate.

Anything outside the Government of India's definition of literacy.

. . . Many live where there is no school in walkable distance.

Ever heard of homeschooling? Homeschooling is catching on big time in the US.

Unfortunately, for those that Joshi is referring to(and as you damn well know), schooling of any kind, even homeschooling, is simply not available. How can parents who have had no education whatsoever provide homeschooling for their kids?

There quite a few who are nomadic.

People travel and move all the time. Nomadic behavior is normal.

Not for you, Johnny boya! Apparently, you are tied to your computer terminal with chains, ropes and locks, for the express purpose of generating hatred toward Christians, Muslims, Jews, gays, whites, women's rights, meat-eaters, fishermen, human rights etc.

Some of them are migrant labour. They have their temporary huts with backside being school wall.

Poverty brought on by centuries of foreign rule will cause that, you know.

But continued neglect by better-off Indians is what keeps them in that condition. In few other countries will you see the level of contempt and neglect with which people treat their fellow countrymen.

Here ten year child is looking after two or three ... rise. Where would you put such people in Indian society?

In the "people who need help" category but not "lower" as you do.

Then why do you jackasses continue to refer to "lower castes" and "upper castes"? *** like you perpetuate India's problems by pretending that they are no different and no worse than any other place in the world. Face it, you goddamn moron, it is bad enough in India that "even" you refuse to live there. So don't go about preaching about how great life in India is, you hypocrite ***!

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote Don't use a firangee term to call my homeland the name is Bharat.

That's not true. Education for the masses existed long before the firangees arrived in Bharat. Study our history.

BTW Government of India is everywhere in Bharat.

"Illeterate"? Define illiterate.

People who cannot read not to speal of writing.

So, by your definition you're yourself illiterate. You cannot read or speak Sanskrit. It follows that you wouldn't know much about literacy and education right?

Ever heard of homeschooling? Homeschooling is catching on big time in the US.

What kind of schooing parents can give who themselves never had any schooling?

Read about homeschooling; tere are many resources on the web. In many ways, homeschooling is the better system. Homeschooled as well as non-homeschooled parents can learn to raise their children through homeschooling.

BTW kind of homeschooing allowed in US is not possible because of Indian Law does not permit it.

Laws can be changed.

People travel and move all the time. Nomadic behavior is normal.

There are people in India who have to travel all year around on foot with their household goods ladden on donkies. It is not "travel" for them. They have to do it to live.

Millions in western countries commute to work as well. I know a film actor who is currently commuting between the US and Europe.

Poverty brought on by centuries of foreign rule will cause that, you know.

Your knowing the cause of their poverty does not help their children to get any schooling.

But it helps to expose the fact that your claims have no substantiation. You become better educated.

In the "people who need help" category but not "lower" as you do.

They very well know where in social rung they are managing to survive. Your quiblling with words do not do any good to them.

Words are powerful. Don't discriminate aginst those who, in your opinion, have less than you do by calling them "lower rung" people. Meet them and learn about their needs; then be helped and help them.

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

really. If Hindi and English will be the pillars of our future, I prefer to commit suicide, specially if one consider how vulgar those languages are.

Gabriel ji,
it is people that are vulgar - languages are just tools for expression..

You have to elaborate what you wrote. Does the person who refuses to spak in his mother tongue does not speak any language at all?

by refusing to speak X, it does not imply the person does not speak at all (or does not speak Y).

How would he have money and so on?

by getting jobs he would not get otherwise.

Indian languages will die out because there is no market force behind them for anyone to write things that people would want to read.

it is a two way street. if people start thinking wearing baseball caps reversed will make them look cool (or get jobs), they will do so, especially if the media reinforces that. People who wear caps normally be made to look old-fashioned or silly (or not get the jobs at all)...

Even in small towns people send their children to "English Medium" schools by paying fees that are very much out of their reach. In

this is a self-reinforcing belief. in india you will find it is difficult to do well in life (unless one is an entrepreneur or a crook), if one does not know english. historically this quaint situation developed because the people who attended the first english schools 200 years ago got decent jobs as clerks working for the brits.
common sense tells us that the quality of production from individuals depends upon their skills and knowledge - not on the language, accents, surname etc. but markets can be irrational ...

this is another fantasy.

Why was it possible for Turkish, Malaysian, Indonesian to get written in Roman but not Indian languages. Why is it el ke aDvaani and not laa kri aDvaani?

if the market does not want to use a particular language , you can write it in braille if you want to, it just won't work.

On 26 Jan 2004 09:37:20 -0800, dr (Email Removed) (Dr. Sunil)

typed:

We may hate the British f o r exploiting our ... international language, a truth accepted even by the European Union.

incredible article..read with some considerable hilarity..

According to one study India has already more than 200 million middle class people armed with computers and low-cost communications.

hate the british..armed with computers..beat china..

What can they possibly do without an adequate knowledge of English?

think...they learn english...they can even talk to chinese and russians...the only people they won't be able to talk to will be frogs...

That knowledge

opens up better opportunities to the study of engineering and ... Insist on Dravidian languages being taught in north Indian schools.

ve vil find vays of making you learn ded languages..

Only then will

the Prime Minister see how fast Hindi will get accepted as the national language of the country. Quick action is better than low complaining.

tell me mister resident peasenik..why is this stuff so riddled with martial/aggressive/combatitive language..
no english person would talk naturally with such terms..

except perhaps a sales instructor or a football coach... or a football hooligan (with much shorter words!)..

regards..

web site at www.abelard.org - news and comment service, logic, politics, ethics, education, etc >700,000 document calls yearly all that is necessary for () walk quietly and carry the triumph of evil is that () a big stick. good people do nothing () trust actions not words only when it's funny roger rabbit

ve vil find vays of making you learn ded languages..

Latin?

Only then will

tell me mister resident peasenik..why is this stuff so riddled with martial/aggressive/combatitive language.. no english person would talk naturally with such terms..

'war on terror'... 'war on drugs'... 'crime czar'...

except perhaps a sales instructor or a football coach... or a football hooligan (with much shorter words!)..

Or politicians.

Dirk
The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millennium
http://www.theconsensus.org

It was firangees who introduced education for masses and in languages spoken by masses.

That's not true. Education for the masses existed long before the firangees arrived in Bharat. Study our history.

What were the masses taught in what languages?

BTW Government of India is everywhere in Bharat. People who cannot read not to speak of writing.

So, by your definition you're yourself illiterate. You cannot read or speak Sanskrit. It follows that you wouldn't know much about literacy and education right?

You mean you can read or speak Sanskrit but cannot write it? Very likely Sanskrit as established by paaNini never was a language of masses.
Pali and variou Prakrits were languages of masses. Present day Indian languages began to take shape almost 1000 years back. It is these languages for many of which it was firangees who wrote grammars in which today's most of India is getting literacy, reading newspapers, running administrations and law is being practiced.

What kind of schooing parents can give who themselves never had any schooling?

Read about homeschooling; tere are many resources on the web. In many ways, homeschooling is the better system. Homeschooled as well as non-homeschooled parents can learn to raise their children through homeschooling.

You mean families that have to travel on foot after their livestocks will visit websites to learn about homeschooling?

BTW kind of homeschooing allowed in US is not possible because of Indian Law does not permit it.

Laws can be changed.

We are talking about untill now, of past and present. Are you familiar with laws of Bharat and are you agitating to change laws so that homeschooling in India begins to take shape?

There are people in India who have to travel all ... "travel" for them. They have to do it to live.

Millions in western countries commute to work as well. I know a film actor who is currently commuting between the US and Europe.

There is difference between people who have to travel in search of work with family and everything that is their household goods.

Your knowing the cause of their poverty does not help their children to get any schooling.

But it helps to expose the fact that your claims have no substantiation. You become better educated.

You mean your knowldge of the cause of India's poverty is helping the ten year old and his or her siblings getting educated or their parents who are away for 11 hours from these children become expert in imparting homeschooling?

They very well know where in social rung they are managing to survive. Your quiblling with words do not do any good to them.

Words are powerful. Don't discriminate aginst those who, in your opinion, have less than you do by calling them "lower rung" people. Meet them and learn about their needs; then be helped and help them.

They are not "lower rung" people they at "lower rung", just as Third World people are at lower rung compared to First World people.

Yes, it is true. But sometimes one is to express the truth in a mild way, so that nobody will feel it pejorative. But no doubt you are right even though it is not nice to hear.