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You mean X can become mother tongue of a person without him speaking it?
How would he have money and so on?

by getting jobs he would not get otherwise.

You mean people get jobs by refusing to speak in their mother tongue?
Indian languages will die out because there is no market force behind them for anyone to write things that people would want to read.

it is a two way street. if people start thinking wearing baseball caps reversed will make them look cool (or ... that. People who wear caps normally be made to look old-fashioned or silly (or not get the jobs at all)...

What fashion you are practicing to remain in job?
Even in small towns people send their children to "English Medium" schools by paying fees that are very much out of their reach. In

this is a self-reinforcing belief. in india you will find it is difficult to do well in life (unless one ... the people who attended the first english schools 200 years ago got decent jobs as clerks working for the brits.

Todays situation is not totally due to some Indians taking jobs with brits 200 years back. It is largely due to English language becoming more valued than any other language in the world despite its spellings being more screwed up than say German.
Why was it possible for Turkish, Malaysian, Indonesian to get ... is it el ke aDvaani and not laa kri aDvaani?

if the market does not want to use a particular language , you can write it in braille if you want to, it just won't work.

It will work in that it will bring up the people at the bottom faster on par with everybody else than otherwise. What prevents from thar happening is people at upper strata who are working against reforms, just to keep people at bottom where they are longer.
What were the masses taught in what languages?

I see that you didn't learn Bharat's history
in school. Do some homeschooling to study it.
So, by your definition you're yourself illiterate. You cannot read ... you wouldn't know much about literacy and education right?

You mean you can read or speak Sanskrit but cannot write it?

I can and do write it. But by your definition, you're illiterate.

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What were the masses taught in what languages?

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote I see that you didn't learn Bharat's history in school. Do some homeschooling to study it.

You are unable to provide proof of what you claim be seeing.
You mean you can read or speak Sanskrit but cannot write it?

I can and do write it. But by your definition, you're illiterate.

What usenet group you use to write your Sanskrit? Please do give a link.
You mean X can become mother tongue of a person without him speaking it?

X as a mother tongue is defined by the region/family and so on. Many upper middle class families in india now speak only in english at home, but their "mother" tongue is considered hindi or whatever (to the their annoyance).
But somewhere along the generations, a particular generation spoke hindi as their mother tongue but decided to speak english to their kids.
I see this happening all the time with desi parents.
You mean people get jobs by refusing to speak in their mother tongue?

by refusing to speak it, they are getting access to the exclusive club, "networking" , being acceptable etc. That club has most jobs.
And BTW, even today, in most social clubs in india, you cannot enter in indian attire. You'd better be dressed as a sahib, or else stay out..
Even a swamiji i met the other day - i was showing him something i had printed in hindi for him - he threw it way saying that hindi is used by illiterate village women. This swamiji can hardly speak english himself ... this complex runs deep in indian society ...

It does create massive misdirection and inefficiency in allocation of resources - as an economist would say. If the top decision makers in a society got there because of their accent or the brother in law who is the editor of an englsish newspaper - that society will get what it deserves - inefficiency and lower standard of living...
What fashion you are practicing to remain in job?

keeping my boss - Paramatma - happy.
Todays situation is not totally due to some Indians taking jobs with brits 200 years back. It is largely due to English language becoming more valued than any other language in the world despite its spellings being more screwed up than say German.

that does not explain why other economies which are doing very well, like china, russia etc are able to do without english.

the living standard of the average chinese is much higher than the average indian.. as evidenced by UN figures on poverty, income and health...

While english has obviously given a great advantage to people in india, at the macroeconomic level, an economy's wealth is the production it creates.
an apple tastes like an apple - in hindi or english - and gets the same price ...
It will work in that it will bring up the people at the bottom faster on par with everybody else ... is people at upper strata who are working against reforms, just to keep people at bottom where they are longer.

those people at the "top" speak english to their children ... that is how they insulate themselves from the society in india..
decided to speak english to their kids.

This they must be doing after giving a lot of thought to the matter. Some of them have been proven right by the call centers getting shifted to India.
I see this happening all the time with desi parents.

What you mean by 'desi'? Arent all Indians desi?
You mean people get jobs by refusing to speak in their mother tongue?

by refusing to speak it, they are getting access to the exclusive club, "networking" , being acceptable etc. That club has most jobs.

Here you go again. A job giver never takes into account a person speaking in this or that language unless that is part of the job to be performed by the employee.
And BTW, even today, in most social clubs in india, you cannot enter in indian attire. You'd better be dressed as a sahib, or else stay out..

I doubt you can play cricket, tennis, golf etc well with dhoti on.
Even a swamiji i met the other day - i was showing him something i had printed in hindi for ... by illiterate village women. This swamiji can hardly speak english himself ... this complex runs deep in indian society ...

If the fellow is swamiji surely there are followers of him to who he is trying to market.
It does create massive misdirection and inefficiency in allocation of resources - as an economist would say. If the top ... editor of an englsish newspaper - that society will get what it deserves - inefficiency and lower standard of living...

You have very low opinion about your society. One reason of course is that you yourself are a lakeer kaa fakeer.

Because in China and Russia people are made free of hanumanji and like.
the living standard of the average chinese is much higher than the average indian.. as evidenced by UN figures on ... given a great advantage to people in india, at the macroeconomic level, an economy's wealth is the production it creates.

We have so many gods interrupting our work.
an apple tastes like an apple - in hindi or english - and gets the same price ...

It will work in that it will bring up the ... just to keep people at bottom where they are longer.

those people at the "top" speak english to their children ... that is how they insulate themselves from the society in india..

And some insulate themselves in chhoTi i kee maatraa.
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What you mean by 'desi'? Arent all Indians desi?

Plus at least one (late) Cuban.

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decided to speak english to their kids.

This they must be doing after giving a lot of thought to the matter. Some of them have been proven right by the call centers getting shifted to India.

they are just discounting speaking in hindi...
I see this happening all the time with desi parents.

What you mean by 'desi'? Arent all Indians desi?

desi is accepted term for indian immigrants ... inside india "desi" has a discounting effect, but as immigrant indians routinely refer to each other as desi...
Here you go again. A job giver never takes into account a person speaking in this or that language unless that is part of the job to be performed by the employee.

yeah right. you never heard of networking, obviously. everyone who was in the same class as rajiv gandhi in sixth grade and wanted easy money became millionaire due to govt contracts...
And BTW, even today, in most social clubs in india, ... better be dressed as a sahib, or else stay out..

I doubt you can play cricket, tennis, golf etc well with dhoti on.

the last thing you do in those clubs is play any physical sport.. it is all about networking...
You have very low opinion about your society. One reason of course is that you yourself are a lakeer kaa fakeer.

only pointing out causes and effects ...
that does not explain why other economies which are doing very well, like china, russia etc are able to do without english.

Because in China and Russia people are made free of hanumanji and like.

hanumanji has kept india healthy and wealthy for thousands of years. i want to see
how many years speaking in accented english and working in call centres will keep that boat afloat.
already reports are that excessive alcohol and meat intake are causing cardiac problems in young men .. caused by deliberate discounting of the ancestral culture ...
We have so many gods interrupting our work.

like one day cricket matches ...
those people at the "top" speak english to their children ... that ishow they insulate themselves from the society in india..

And some insulate themselves in chhoTi i kee maatraa.

some threads are so ... yawn..
to write hindu languages in roman script is downright stupid. i would say criminal. italians gave up roman numerals and are using hindu number system. it's only matter of time italians will give up their mafia culture, and learn the civilized hindu ways.
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to write hindu languages in roman script is downright stupid. i would say criminal. italians gave up roman numerals and are using hindu number system. it's only matter of time italians will give up their mafia culture, and learn the civilized hindu ways.

The Hindu civilization is the most time-tested in the world.

Jai Maharaj
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Om Shanti
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