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No, you need to be in Europe. Only here will ... any deluded evangelist who wields a large amount of power.

Another egregious slam at the Midwest.

Yeah, where is Areff these days?

Bob Lieblich
Where am I? come to think of it
(regarding Charles Riggs's comment)

Another egregious slam at the Midwest.

Yes. Pat, you and I and the other sensible AUEers (most of whom are in the Midwest or at least ... A mob. Yes, a mob, formed specifically to teach them whippersnappers and smart-alecks from the coasts a thing or two.

Will you accept applications from people born and reared in Flyover Country even if we now live in a coastal state?
I'm ready to take 'em on.

You and the Cowardly Lion (after he got his medal).

Bob Lieblich
And me
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OBaue: How did "all hollow" come to mean "completely"?

The only reference I could quickly find comes from John Ciardi:

beat all hollow 1. To beat overwhelmingly. 2. To be better than in every way. "Drinking beats working all hollow." ("Beat hollow" is attested in Brit. 1759. "All hollow," which is Am. only, attested
1762. "Hollow" is prob. a corruption of "wholely." If so, theoriginal Brit. form may have been "to beat wholely"; and the Am. "all" may be a root echo of the lost "wholely.")
No, you need to be in Europe. Only here will ... any deluded evangelist who wields a large amount of power.

Another egregious slam at the Midwest.

Interesting word, egregious. With its several meanings, some the opposite from others, I can see how useful it might be at times. I'll try to remember it.
Since I gave the Midwest a good deal of credit this time, I'm not sure which meaning of the word was intended.

Charles Riggs
Email address: chriggs¦at¦eircom¦dot¦net
(regarding Charles Riggs's comment) Yes. Pat, you and I and ... whippersnappers and smart-alecks from the coasts a thing or two.

Which coast is Ireland on?

Its inhabitants apparently think it is on the East coast since they flock in droves to Boston and New York, rarely going further west. No need to really, so I applaud their preference.

Charles Riggs
Email address: chriggs¦at¦eircom¦dot¦net
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(regarding Charles Riggs's comment) Yes. Pat, you and I and ... a thing or two. I'm ready to take 'em on.

I've spent a week in Omaha and five days in Chicago. Am I sensible?

Certainly. You left, didn't you?
Aside: Chicago, as I think Richard will confirm, is actually an East coast city: it's okay, in other words. San Francisco is the only other city to have this never-never land characteristic. It's even more than okay.

Charles Riggs
Email address: chriggs¦at¦eircom¦dot¦net
OBaue: How did "all hollow" come to mean "completely"?

This is what OED2 has to say:
hollow, a. and adv.

A. adj.

6. (f. the adv.: cf. B. 2.) Complete, thorough, out-and-out. colloq.
1750 Coventry Pompey Litt. i. xvi. (1785) 41/1 It was quite a hollowthing; Goliah won the day.

1761 Colman Jealous Wife v. (D.), So, my lord, you and I are bothdistanced; a hollow thing, damme.

1852 Dickens Bleak Ho. lxiv, Which, in the opinion of my friends, is ahollow bargain.

1894 Times 31 July 11/1 The Prince's cutter steadily left her opponentand gained a very hollow victory.

B. adv.

2. Thoroughly, completely, out-and-out; also (U.S.) all hollow. colloq.(The origin of this is obscure, and has excited conjecture from its first appearance in literature.)
1668–71 Skinner Etymol. Ling. Angl. s.v., He carried it Hollow, Luculenter Vicit vel Superavit,..credo dictum quasi ‘he carried it wholy’.
1762 Foote Orators i. Wks. 1799 I. 193 Foote... You succeeded? Suds...Yes, yes, I got it all hollow.

1767 Chesterfield Lett. (1794) IV. cccxxi. 267 He set up for the Countyof Middlesex, and carried it hollow, as the jockeys say.
1786 Wolcott (P. Pindar) Farew. Odes xiv. Wks. 1794 I. 185 I'm greatlypleas'd..To see the foreigners beat hollow.

1824 W. Irving T. Trav. II. 39 Her blood carried it all hollow.
1839 Times 19 Oct., In the article of hypocrisy..as in sheer impudence,Minto has it hollow.

1851 J. H. Newman Cath. in Eng. 367 Local opinion would carry it hollowagainst popular opinion.

1859 Geo. Eliot A. Bede 47 She beats us younger people hollow.

Martin Ambuhl
OBaue: How did "all hollow" come to mean "completely"?

The only reference I could quickly find comes from John Ciardi: beat all hollow 1. To beat overwhelmingly. 2. To ... form may have been "to beat wholely"; and the Am. "all" may be a root echo of the lost "wholely.")

Hmm. Lots more hits for "wholely" than I would have thought. What's the distribution for "wholely" vs. "wholly"? (The latter leads about 172:1 on Google.)

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I've spent a week in Omaha and five days in Chicago. Am I sensible?

Certainly. You left, didn't you? Aside: Chicago, as I think Richard will confirm, is actually an East coast city: it's okay, in other words. San Francisco is the only other city to have this never-never land characteristic. It's even more than okay.

I hope Areff shows up to counter your interpretation of Chicago's place in the firmament.
It is hardly the goal of the lemmings that rush to the coasts.

Recall, Charles. Richard thinks Chicago is landlocked.
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