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Anonymous:I buy many things in this shop i.e. /e.g. game player, toyes, flowers and so on.
Is this sentence right?
can i use "and so on" after "e.g. or i.e."?
Can i use "for example," instead of "i.e" or "e.g."?
CAn you give me some example of using these word? Thank^^
Approved answer (verified by Punkybrewster)
Use "i.e." to give a fuller explanation of something already stated. It means "that is". You don't use "for example" in place of "i.e.".
Specific to your question:
I bought a lot of things in that shop, for example, games, toys, and flowers.
I bought a lot of things in that shop, e.g., games, toys, and flowers.
Don't use "and so on" directly after either of these. You wouldn't say "for example, and so on", so you wouldn't write "e.g., and so on" either! The same goes for "that is, and so on".
CalifJimUse "e.g." to give an example (or several examples). It means "for example".I think the use of punctuation is interesting. Personally, I don't use full stops, which I realise is down to style. However, the use of commas is interesting. I notice, CJ, that you use two commas. I use one.
I bought a lot of things, eg toothpaste, toys, etc.
Perhaps now, centuries later, preferences have changed.
Being American, I don't use full stops either; I use periods!
I must confess that in general my punctuation is very seat-of-the-pants.
I avoid answering any posts on punctuation because of this.
CalifJimI avoid answering any posts on punctuation because of this.You just did
What does 'seat-of-the-pants' mean, CJ?
I used to use periods/full stops too. I just changed as modern English doesn't seem to require them. In fact, I think modern English has far less punctuation altogether. I'll go along with that. Why make life more complicated
Btw, how about responding to my subjunctive thread and the old phrasal verb thread. I value your opinion
Anyone who's a fan of Nietzche!
Man is a beast stretched between eternal oblivion and superman... or something like that
I avoid answering ...
I tried responding to the phrasal verb thread and got into some technical difficulties. For some reason, it wouldn't let me post. And then I just forgot about it and never tried again as I got involved in some other threads.
Anyway, I'm still cogitating on phrasal verbs. You know how you start off thinking one thing and by the time you explain why you think that way you end up wondering if you truly do believe it. I'm sort of in that never-never land on phrasal verbs right now, so I prefer to think it over a little more before saying anything even more confusing than I've already said.
As for the subjunctive thread, it seemed to be asking for terminology. I'm not as well-read as I should be on that sort of thing, my attitude being "Call it a monkey if you want"! It's clear that there is an "if only ... would" construction, and an "I wish ..." construction, and an "if I were ..." construction, and I've never found it amusing to speculate on what the best descriptive word (subjunctive, or whatever) might be for each case. My personal preference is to avoid the word "subjunctive" where the word "would" is concerned. I just don't see "would" as a marker of the subjunctive. Other than that I don't have any strong opinions on it (today, anyway!).
CalifJimHi CJI avoid answering ...
I was reading an archived post on the subject of the subjunctive (I think by a user called Maria or Mara) and you were on that thread too. She was talking about a similar issue and I just simply disagreed with her. She said that when we use the past simple to refer to a wish or non-fact that it was the 'unmarked subjunctive'. How on earth can it be unmarked if we use the past tense to identify it!
Sometimes I feel I'm going out of my mind looking for answers to my questions. I feel I need to know the answers because I'm new to teaching and I feel I have to make damn sure that I know my target language. If a student points to some construction and asks me if it's the subjunctive or not, I can't reply, 'No, it's a monkey!'
I know what you mean when you say you begin to answer something and then you realise that your answer is leading you to inconsistencies in your own understanding. I'm sure that's a good thing, in some ways, albeit frustrating. Sometimes, when people don't reply to my questions I feel that, either I've asked a really stupid question or a really difficult one. I get paranoid and I don't understand why some people are here.
Some have thousands of posts and I would have thought that meant that they have dealt with every possible grammar question. Because I'm new to teaching, I'm under the assumption that every teacher here knows more about English grammar than I do, and that's why it's really frustrating for me. I feel that, if someone knows the answer to my questions then why don't they just tell me!
If anyone thinks that I should find out the answers for myself, they don't know how wrong they are. Everything I have learnt has been self-taught. I learned everything the hard way and from scratch. If I have a question, you can be sure it derived from some painful research that didn't reveal the answer.
Anyway, thanks for your responses so far, CJ
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