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So exactly how long do you have to be here to no longer be 'new'.

Anything over a decade works for me.

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Hello, I have a question about some text that I've ... Is there some real difference between these two language constructions?

Depends what the test does. If it only* checks if a function returns correct values, you're fine. If it checks ... checks if a function *doesn't return correct values then I'd favour "whether", though I wouldn't insist on "whether or not".

I'm certainly glad that has been cleared up!
I'd say this paragraph from the generally crystal-clear John Dean suffered from a certain zeal, in an off moment, for punctuation variety. Perhaps Young Joe has unduly influenced our writing style, I dunno.

Charles Riggs
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}> }>>Tony Cooper wrote on 13 Jul 2004: }>> }>>(Cooper's verbosities deleted) }> }> It's a usage group, Franke. If ... should still know that one of the cardinal rules of alt.usage.english regarding Tony Cooper is "When he's right, he's right."

Meaning there is no point arguing with the jackass when he's wrong: with his insecurity, it is a rare day when he'll admit it. Discussions with him are a waste of time, why I, and probably Franke, rarely indulge him anymore.

Charles Riggs
Alan Crozier wrote on 13 Jul 2004:

I can't agree with this analysis. Why would anyone reading such instructions want to reinterpret the sentence so that what is obviously not a precondition becomes an initial conditional clause? I agree that "if" should be changed to "whether".

That was the first meaning that occurred to me. If the writer does not like "whether", an alternative would be to add "to see", but I still prefer "whether".

Rob Bannister
}> }>>Tony Cooper wrote on 13 Jul 2004: }>> }>>(Cooper's ... alt.usage.english regarding Tony Cooper is "When he's right, he's right."

Meaning there is no point arguing with the jackass when he's wrong: with his insecurity, it is a rare day when he'll admit it. Discussions with him are a waste of time, why I, and probably Franke, rarely indulge him anymore.

There's knee-jerk happening here. I always ignore it when it comes up, but, for no discernible reason, today I've had enough.

Charles and Franke, you're both well-appreciated characters in my life, from whom I learn things; and so is Tony. I've never bothered to do enough Googling to find out how it all started, but you're wrong: he is very careful never to set himself up as an authority, and from over here what he says is interesting and often very funny. So you disagree, or don't see the humour: that's good round 'here'. But in the areas where you know more about something than he does, has he ever suggested that you don't? If he has, I've never noticed.

So just read what Tony writes, not what you think he wrote two years ago. I like a bit of chili in my food, too, but this is ridiculous.

Mike.
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Seconded.
Meaning there is no point arguing with the jackass when ... time, why I, and probably Franke, rarely indulge him anymore.

There's knee-jerk happening here. I always ignore it when it comes up, but, for no discernible reason, today I've had ... think he wrote two years ago. I like a bit of chili in my food, too, but this is ridiculous.

While I appreciate the comments, I would like to discourage you from trying to mollify Charles. Some of my most enjoyable moments in aue are reading and replying to Charles's blusterous attacks. He invariably supplies me with something to run with.

It's rather like being attacked by a cross-eyed dog with severe alopecia of the hind quarters and tail. Even though the fangs are bared, the spectacle is so amusing that it's worth the bite for the laugh involved.
I'm fortunate in that my own disposition is such that I'm really not perturbed by personal attacks - by Charles or by any of my other admirers - and don't take them at all seriously. That, of course, is the most infuriating thing about me to them. They know I don't take them seriously, and that frustrates them.
So just read what Tony writes, not what you think he wrote two years ago. I like a bit of chili in my food, too, but this is ridiculous.

As I man I respect, your objections are well-noted, Mike. Believe me, I've restrained myself as much as I'm able when it comes to Areff's little buddy, especially since Buddha advises we do best if we simply avoid people who don't suit us. It is beginning to appear his posts won't be disappearing from view any time soon, so I might do better to learn to live with them. I don't always think with my head though, as you may have observed.

Charles Riggs
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Seconded.

Thank you, Q, if I may call you that.

Charles Riggs