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Mike Lyle typed thus:
> (f) Liverpool. We're all Liverpudlians now. Validate my feelings or

I'll kick your head in and steal your car.

That is such intellectually-lazy stereotyping. Liverpudlians aren't all like that: some of them only kick your head in.

That's because they can't reach the pedals yet.

David
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Another commentator this morning said that Boris will never beleader of the Conservatives as it is not possible to be a party leader if you have a sense of humour. Can't help liking Boris.

Even though it is now quite usual to understand most of what he says. He used to sound like an over-the-top impression of a permanently sozzled Etonian.
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You might think so, but the reported case was of stupid people transferring their (apparent) dislike of American politics (not that it has anything to do with them) onto American people just because they were American (indeed, that was all the aggressors knew about them).

When it comes to politics, we're all either with America, or evil terrorist fellow-travellers. After all, that's what that nice Mr Bush told us.
I doubt very much that this reported case is actually representative, for there's no other evidence of it. Just a couple of days ago, Radio 4 reported the memorial service for Alastair Cooke. One of those Americans present (AFAIR, he was some major figure of ABC news) made a point of commenting on how cordial relations were between England and American people , despite the obvious political frictions.
That doesn't matter. Anti-one-particular-aspect-of-Americanism, when it is manifested as rudeness and aggression, is not acceptable.

Agreed. But if I lived in Mildenhall, then the attitude towards Americans might be expected to be different. Outside of Luton or Bradford, I probably live in one of the areas of the UK most critical of US policy on Iraq and Afghanistan, and certainly the most critical of Israeli actions in Palestine and US support for them.
OTOH, I do remember the notorious "Question Time". It was embarrassing to watch.

Question Time consists of a few people on the panel deliberately offering themselves as political representatives and targets. It's not an edifying spectacle if the audience is against them, but neither is it representative of everday feelings towards everyday people.

You seem to be suggesting that the Question Time audience was rigged with a pack of baying Spartists. The idea that the English left-wing is capable of organising such an event is itself laughable.
The question here isn't whether average Brits hate American leaders / policy / warmongering - it's whether those same people hold Joe Sixpack responsible.
It's also worth remembering that "average Joe Sixpack" doesn't hold a passport and rarely travels outside their home state. If you meet any American in the UK, they are somewhat exceptional, just by having travelled abroad.

If we fail, then let us fail heroically
(or even better, stoichiometrically)
... the reported case was of stupid people transferring their ... American (indeed, that was all the aggressors knew about them).

When it comes to politics, we're all either with America, or evil terrorist fellow-travellers. After all, that's what that nice Mr Bush told us.

I am sure you are not trying to justify the incredible and unwarranted rudeness described in the article.
I doubt very much that this reported case is actually representative

I agree it isn't representative of the majority. I* wouldn't do it. *You* wouldn't do it. But it is representative of *something.
for there's no other evidence of it. Just a couple of days ago, Radio 4 reported the memorial service for ... point of commenting on how cordial relations were between England and American people , despite the obvious political frictions.

It would never occur to me that relations between British and American people should vary according to which party is in power where.

Would it to you?
That doesn't matter. Anti-one-particular-aspect-of-Americanism, when it is manifested as rudeness and aggression, is not acceptable.

Agreed. But if I lived in Mildenhall, then the attitude towards Americans might be expected to be different. Outside of ... policy on Iraq and Afghanistan, and certainly the most critical of Israeli actions in Palestine and US support for them.

And?
OTOH, I do remember the notorious "Question Time". It was embarrassing to watch.

Question Time consists of a few people on the panel deliberately offering themselves as political representatives and targets. It's not ... baying Spartists. The idea that the English left-wing is capable of organising such an event is itself laughable.

Why should it bother even trying when the BBC does it for them, every week?
The question here isn't whether average Brits hate American leaders / policy / warmongering - it's whether those same people ... state. If you meet any American in the UK, they are somewhat exceptional, just by having travelled abroad.

Intriguing. You start by condemning prejudice, and end by demonstrating it.

Hey ho.
It's also worth remembering that "average Joe Sixpack" doesn't hold a passport and rarely travels outside their home state. If you meet any American in the UK, they are somewhat exceptional, just by having travelled abroad.

I'd agree with you on the first point, but not the second. There are Americans that don't hold a passport, but interstate travel is so common that it would be difficult to find an American under 60 that this could be said about. That's nothing at all to do with your general observation, but a minor nit that popped its head up.
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(b) She mixes with intellectuals. Intellectuals in England are by definition Left-wing, thus even more anti-American than run-of-the-mill metropolitan sophisticates, ... perhaps more likely to exhibit the more virulent Continental strain of anti-Semitism. (A bit weak, that, but you never know.)

Anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism are unrelated, except in the mouths of the argument-deprived. You no more have to be anti-Jewish to disapprove of a state founded upon the violent annexation of other peoples's lands, lives and human rights than you need to be Jewish to disapprove of Belsen and Auschwitz.

Mark Barratt
Budapest
Somebody was discussing Boris's rag's attack on Liverpudlians on the radio yesterday, and opined that the outpouring of public grief for Diana flushed out the systems of those who needed it, and was in the long run beneficial as most people have now forgotten her.

But they haven't forgotten the precedent.
Actually, I don't think it flushed out their systems, I think it opened the seacocks and scuttled us all, drowning us in mawk forevermore.
Another commentator this morning said that Boris will never be leader of the Conservatives as it is not possible to be a party leader if you have a sense of humour.

On the other hand, I've read something in the last few days about how Presidents Reagan and Clinton were so electable precisely because they knew how to make voters chuckle and voters like to be charmed. (I can't find it in the latest Spectator so Boris probably isn't making a play for world domination. Not yet, anyway.)
Can't help liking Boris.

He is the Greatest Living Englishman (though he's a very sloppy editor).

Mickwick
Donna Richoux typed thus:

I suppose I should add my report to the others, ... a long-term resident, not a visitor, and that's quite different.

Serves her right for living in London, which is a centre of rudeness.

In her article, Ms Gould speaks (without going into details) of similar encounters in Edinburgh and Bournemouth (wherever that is).

Mark Barratt
Budapest
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Anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism are unrelated, except in the mouths of the argument-deprived.

Clearly they can be related. One can easily imagine an anti-Zionist whose anti-Zionism is informed by his underlying anti-Semitism. Look at various lunatic fringe groups in the US for examples.
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