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However, you will then remove India's advantage in eg the IT industry, so perhaps the healing wouldn't be such a ... Japan requires English/American for it's international trade. Where would Sony be if it published all its manuals in Kanji only?[/nq]Typical egotistical rubbish from a Briton or American. I've been to Japan, and it seems to have comparatively little need for the English/American that you speak of. When the Japanese trade with Chinese or Koreans, they use Japanese, Chinese, or Korean, and of course the majority of their trade is conducted in Japanese among Japanese people. Many Japanese do use English in trade situations with English-speakers from USA and elsewhere, but this is a 2-way street.

Many Americans take years to study and master Japanese in school so that they can do business in Japan. That's the funny thing about globalization, Nick. I notice how you Brits and Americans always tout it (and simultaneously knock its critics as xenophobes or simpletons) as long as you can be safely assured that business will be conducted in your language and with your companies. But the thing about globalization is that it's global, and you need to learn our languages to do business with us just as we learn yours.
From one prejudice, the writer moves quickly to another. He wants to impose Hindi language (which, according to him, only ... be just as prejudiced against his Southern neighbors. There is no more powerful expression of prejudice than completely ignoring people!

And there is no more poweful an expression of your prejudice than your assumption that we want or need to use English as our common tongue. I don't always agree with Jai, but you have a lot of nerve to come in here accusing him of prejudice when you seem to be exhibiting the worst kind of prejudice yourself, i.e. the assumption that the Anglophone Anglo-American culture is superior to what we can generate from our own ancient, brilliant languages and culture in Bharat. Tell me Nick, how much do you really know about what your country did to us? And I don't mean the glossed-over rubbish they feed you in your schools for the A-levels.How much do you know about the Bengal famine, Nick? Were you aware that millions of us were killed in 1943 as the direct result of an artificial famine created deliberately by British policies? Funny that you accused your enemies in WWII of causing a Holocaust when you Brits yourselves perpetrated a Holocaust against us in India at the same time! And this was on top of other genocides in earlier famines in the late 19th century alone tens of millions of Indians were killed by these artifical starvation fests.

While you starved our people, you also flooded our country with your manufactured goods to ruin our weaving industry. You massacred us when we dared to raise our voice, and you used our young men as cannon fodder in your colonial wars. You divided us against each other, and ensured that our independence in 1948 was as bloody as possible. And you gave us almost nothing, contrary to your masturbatory fantasies. Almost every sign of strength that India has shown, all of our gains in literacy and wealth, have sprung up after independence, not before it.

We were a wealthy, advanced land before you landed on our shores in the 18th century, and after you ruined us, we had a lot of catching up to do in
1948.

We don't blame you Brits of today for what your ancestors did, but we do despise you for being hypocrites, for tramping around like guardians of human rights while refusing to fess up to the genocides that you yourselves perpetrated. The German and Japanese accepted and apologized for that they did in World War II. You Brits and Americans, in stark contrast, still have not owned up to all the genocides you committed in India, Australia, Africa and the Americas where esp. in Australia and N America you nearly wiped out the indigenous population. We in India do remember, Nick, and we're going to keep reminding you of it.
Now do you see why maybe, must maybe we're not much enthused about letting English displace our own indigenous tongues? It is the language of a brutal oppressor, and we haven't forgotten than brutality, especially as we're constantly reminded of it by your continuing possession of the stolen Kohinoor among your crown jewels. English isn't "neutral for us," and it isn't even all that useful. It helps a handful get jobs while the vast majority of people remain stuck in poverty, among them millions of English speakers who were hoodwinked into believing that the language was a ticket to wealth. We'd gain far more by cultivating Hindi, Tamil and our other indigenous tongues for official uses rather than allowing English to continue to divide and rule us.
Tamil is not only an ancient language, it is an ancient language that is in daily use around the world. ... Southern languages. I don't mean to be prejudiced, in my turn, against my friends from Kerala, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, etc.

Yes, Tamil is an ancient and beautiful language, which is why it should be used as a link language alongside Hindi and Punjabi, displacing English.
Of course, if I was as prejudiced as the author the I would never wear my khaki shorts, or my pajamas in my bungalow etc etc etc. :-)

Oh but you are prejudiced, Nick, in your own little way. As a Briton you have no business coming in here and trying to tell us in Bharat how to run our affairs. We expats in the US and UK have seen how you treat people who speak minority languages, and you seem less than inclined in your own "tolerant" UK to show respect to Welsh and Gaelic. If you're so insistent on linguistic diversity for us in Bharat, why don't you do more to cultivate and respect Welsh and Gaelic in your own backyard? Or are you just putting on your hypocrite clothes again?
I agree with you. However, Hindi and other national languages ... intellectuals because the ideas can be communicated unambiguously in Sanskrit.

Until it actually gets used. As soon as you resurrect that Dodo, it will undergo the same processes that happen to every real living language.[/nq]If look back the history of languages, unfortunately, the development of spoken languages is very much dependent upon the political-economic scenario. As far as India is concerned, Hindi language was its first victim because it was adopted as the common language in northern India which was most affected by foreign invaders. Since South was untouched by foreign invaders, southern languages maintained their originality. In fact, Sanskrit, the mother of all Indian languages, was lucky enough not to be affected by foreign influence and therefore it maintained its original beauty.

As I read more of Hinduism, I find that precision of sound was of the most important factor to incite the forces in supra-consiousness. No wonder Sanskrit was developed in that context. Pinini's work is marvalous. Sanskrit's poetic nature is excellent that nurtures mental thinking so that human being can aspire to new heights.
Techical use of a dead language for technical communication smacks of being a religious issue, but this is clearly off-topic in alt.religion.hindu. That newsgroup also is removed.>

Just don't get offended when we use the term technical with reference to Sanskrit. Sanskrit is not a dead language. It has survived to this date and will continue to do so. The reason is not economic or political but its beauty. The beauty the way Sanskrit has provided us the tools to develop new words from root words. Sanskrit is not a random language but a scientific language which systematically creates new vocabulary as ideas evolved. Because of less interest in Sanskrit due to foreign influence in the Indian subcontinent over the last millenum does not mean that the language is dead.
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Oh what rot! In Roman days there just would not have been a language that even approximated the English of today. How easily do you think a modern Italian would understand the Latin of his Roman ancestors?

A typical colonial mindset!! This mindset will be the ultimate downfall for all modern Brits and would lead them to savage once they used to be. That's where they belong because they don't have a culture that can last for a long time just as Indian culture has and would.

Brits were just lucky to rule India and to be lucky has no scientific reason. It just happens.
English or any other language only a medium of communication. English is well established in India for past 200 years. International and Intra-National English is used widely. Our Law stands on English.
Our Professional Education taught in English.
The only truely used language world wide is English.

Do not compare ourself to Japan , Korea,... I have been there our country is much more complex.
If you think opeanly you will know. English is the only language we can make it as official.
Hindi is only usefull to see Hindi movies. I know many Bengalis and south indian could not do well in ICS because of Hindi.

And Sanskrit is dead language. Accept the fact. Tamil useless for any one outside TN.
Their can only be one official language English.
What ever debate can continue ...The fact is we all communicating on google only using english. Show one popular website which used local language to communicate and
Err, umm are you not writing this article in English? What about Google? English!
Name one "Bhartiya" language that transcends state barriers through the length and breadth of India? There is over 800 languages and dialects in India.
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Why are you people so cynical about English! Let me ask you some questions.
1. Which language gives you access to google discussion forums andennumerable other academic resources?

2. Who did malaise to India, British or "English" language?
3. Is not English easier than many other languages?

One can both savour the advantages of English and at the same time criticize it, but not without being irrational.
I love India, but not the Indian diehards.
. . . And Sanskrit is dead language. . . .

An earlier post:
High Court rules Sanskrit not a 'Dead' Language
( From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
( Subject: High Court rules Sanskrit not a 'Dead' Language ( Date: March 1, 2004
Sanskrit Not a 'Dead' Language - HC
By Legal Correspondent
The Hindu
January 2, 1998
The Madras High Court has held that "Sanskrit is not a dead language" and observed that the reasoning of the Tamil Nadu Government that Sanskrit had ceased to be a language in use "is nothing but ignorance of reality."
Mr. Justice S. S. Subramani, allowing a writ petition, referred to, a Supreme Court decision, according to which. Sanskrit was the mother of all Indo-Aryan languages and it was this language in which our Vedas, Puranas and Upanishads had been written and in which Kalidas, Bhavbuti, Banabhatta and Dandi wrote their classics.
The judge, in a recent order, also said that the teachings of Sankaracharya, Ramanuja, Madhwacharya. Nimbark and Vallabhacharya would not have been woven into the fabric of Indian culture, if Sanskrit would not have been available to them as a medium of expressing their thoughts.
The judge pointed out that the Sanskrit Commission, in its report, had observed that "in Chennal itself, it (Commission) found that both in unrecognised schools and private classes, non- Brahmins and even a few Muslims and Christians, studied Sanskrit. In one of the high schools of Chidambaram, a Muslim student was reported to have stood first in Sanskrit and in another school, there were Harijans among Sanskrit students."
The Commission, the judge said, also observed that there was an awakening of the cultural consciousness and a keen awareness of the importance of Sanskrit among people and in almost all cities and important towns there were privately organised associations for promotion of Sanskrit.
The judge noted that the, apex court which discussed the Commission's report had explained as to how the Government of India had taken a policy decision for promoting Sanskrit and how for propagating secularism, Sanskrit had played and continued to play an important part.
The State Education Secretary, the judge said, had not considered any of the above facts and simply said that Sanskrit was a dead language. It could not be true in view of the various pronouncements of the Supreme Court, the judge said and held that Sanskrit was not a dead language.
The judge quashed the order passed by the Education Secretary, rejecting the application of Bala Seva Educational and Charitable Trust, which sought minority status for the college run by it.

The judge directed the respondents to reconsider the entire matter and pass final orders on the petitioner's application within a month.
The petitioner-Trust applied to the Government on June 25 seeking minority status to its engineering college, on the ground that all the trustees were well versed in Sanskrit and committed to the cause of establishing Sanskrit as an important means of communication in view of its intrinsic capability of being adopted to modern technology. By an order dated August 13, the claim of the Trust was rejected on the ground that Sanskrit language had ceased to be in use. It was this order that was challenged by the Trust.
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Err, umm are you not writing this article in English?

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In fact, Sanskrit, the mother of all Indian languages, was lucky enough not to be affected by foreign influence and therefore it maintained its original beauty.

a small correction. "Sanskrit , the mother of all North Indian languages"
Sanskrit did not give birh to tamil. also tamil played a major role in formation of other souh indian languages.
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