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Hi Anon,,

Thank you for reading my post and I tried to do the same with your own post. I mostly agree with your last statement about the efforts that should be exerted from both sides so as not to misunderstand each other.

I am sorry to say that I am much more hestiant now to replay, not because of my lack of ability to answer or something concerning my belief in Islam which ,thanks to God, increase day after day, but due to my deep belief that I am responsible of each word I said and I will be accounted for it. Also I am afraid someone would misunderstand me.

Anyway, the reason I say Jesus is not going to bring a new religion is to verfiy to Mrs. Steven Mc that Mohammad is indeed the last prophet who brought the last religion.The choice of Jesus to come back later is not to be cosidered that he is the last massenger or would bring a new or last religion. So we believe that Jesus is an adovacte for the same message Prophet Mohammad called for. Worship God alone with NO partner, as well as ALL the massengers since Adam till Mohammad (Peace and blessings be upon all of the massengers of God).

Concerning the excerpts you cited from the Bible, I have mentioned earlier that I believe in the Bible that was sent down to Jesus (pease be upon him) but not in these versions which we found today. We believe ,as Muslims, that the original Bible was distorted by the people who followed Christianty later and many words of MEN have been inserted.

Anyhow, thank you very much for replying and I sincerely hope that we live in a more compromising world, looking for points of agreement not these of disagreement and most importantly not to attack each other.

My Deepest Regards,

P.S Unfortunately I don't understand any word of the link you provided due to my ignorance
sorry, I didn't go online yesterday.

@ Grammar Geek: I think the above post of Anon may verify the fact. By making some associations, you will understand it.

@ Mythical Lady: you said, " We believe ,as Muslims, that the original Bible was distorted by the people who followed Christianty later and many words of MEN have been inserted." Could you show me evidence that proves this fact? Frankly, this sentence offends me, a Christian, a lot.
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Steven Mcsorry, I didn't go online yesterday.

@ Grammar Geek: I think the above post of Anon may verify the fact. By making some associations, you will understand it.

@ Mythical Lady: you said, " We believe ,as Muslims, that the original Bible was distorted by the people who followed Christianty later and many words of MEN have been inserted." Could you show me evidence that proves this fact? Frankly, this sentence offends me, a Christian, a lot.

Well, the bible itself went through several transformation dealing with languages alone. I truly doubt English was a language during the time of Prophet Isa (Jesus) (pbuh).
Everyone knows (at least those who speak two or more languages) that there are somethings that cannot be translated or sometimes translated to a word that closely matches it in another language. Also with translations several words or sentences sometimes loses their meanings.

The Bible was translated from its original language into modern day English (yes, I know there were several languages that it was translated to before it reached modern English) there are bound to be some errors somewhere (things added or taken away).

I see the same thing with the Quran. The English translation of it doesn't always match the Arabic version of it. After all the English is only an interpretation of the Arabic version. There are several words in Arabic that doesn't translate (or doesn't translate well) into the English language and vice versa.

Also with the lost of the orgininal Bible there is no way to prove the Bible of today is the exact same bible that was written years ago. The Dead Sea Scrolls themselves cannot help since some of the books that were with the Dead Sea Scrolls were considered to be not part of the original Bible (and how would one know if there isn't an original to compare the Dead Sea Scrolls to?).

Finally, The Canonization of the Bible....there were several councils that were formed to decided which books belonged in the bible and which didn't (Many people like to pick on the Council of Nicea but there were several more than just that one Council...during some of those Councils some books were removed others were added some were added again after they were removed before). Also if one was to actually take the time to "pick apart" the bible one would realize that the bible itself mentions (or refers to) books that aren't even in the bible (and I am not just talking about the books that are considered "the lost books of the Bible" and can be found floating around the internet or your local library...I am speaking about books that are actually lost to us... (probably burned, buried somewhere, or maybe locked up in the Vatican's library never to be seen by the public eyes b/c the religious leaders considered them dangerous to the growth of Christianity...who knows.).

I could go on and on about this subject since I researched it several times before converting to Islam (I learned alot about the history of Christianity that just wasn't taught in Sunday school). My proofs (or websites/articles/other info) are on my laptop which is at home. At the moment I am dealing with college finals and everything. Hopefully when I am done (and if I remember before school starts again), I can post some here.
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Im so sad cuz the moderator deleated this thred.

About copy and past anonymous:

Im sure that it is allowed in many forums.I used it to convey you the islamic point of view in the matter of accurecy and without

without the intervention of me,and after that I begin to post my opinion or clarification .I must convey the Clergyman s opinion honestly cuz he is more professional than me

.Of course it doese not require permission.

thats all.

thank you.
Miss_muslima
About copy and past anonymous:

Im sure that it is allowed in many forums.I used it to convey you the islamic point of view in the matter of accurecy and without without the intervention of me,and after that I begin to post my opinion or clarification .I must convey the Clergyman s opinion honestly cuz he is more professional than me

Dear Miss Muslima,

No offence intended.

In my opinion, it's important to bear in mind that this is a forum about English.

Here we can have the support of teachers and native speakers (always so kind to answer our questions and clarify our doubts), we can have fun, and we can discuss many topics, religion included.

Apart from the problem of plagiarism (I don't know about Egypt, but in many countries, mine included, it is considered cheating unless you provide credits), what's the point in using somebody's else ideas and words? Does it help improve your (or my) English? I don't think so. If you want to explain Islam with your own words, I'll be glad to read your posts.

Take care.
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Steven McWhy isn't it Muhammad, the last prophet as Muslims believe, will come at the end of the world?


Cuz this is our God s order we have no choice .This confirms theat we must respect all of the prophets,and also the will of God.

Another question: If Muslims consider Jesus as a prophet of Allah, they have to believe in all what he said, which was written in the New Testament. Jesus said that he is the Son of God and there is one God in Three divine persons, etc. So how can you still believe in his words and works if he always proclaimed that he is the Son of God? As far as I can consider, if a prophet dare to proclaim that he is the Son of God, which means that he is sacrilegious, he must be eliminated. Also, he cannot be considered as a prophet anymore. How do you still consider him as a prophet of Allah, because he told a lie ?



JESUS is a decent and honest man ,he did not tells lies at all.and I agree that he did not told that he is the son of God.

TY Steven ,im ready for answering any questions.

There's something called "faith." If we are talking about religion, we cannot explain everything simply with history, logic and language. As a Christian, I do believe that the Bible is authentic and that it conveys the message brought by Jesus. (to Blacksouthernbelle: I'm sure I know the selection process of the Bible's books much better than you, but it's not an important point, here)

Regarding the translations, they where meant to allow common people who didn't know Greek or Latin to read the Bible.

Finally, I find quite annoying (and offending, as Steven said) the fact that nobody here has said a single word against the Koran, while you are always criticising the Bible.

This reminds me of a Muslim guy I met some years ago. We had had some nice talks about the Koran and Islam before, but, as soon as I told him I was Catholic (he had assumend that, as a Westerner, I didn't have any religion), he started criticising everything, the Bible, the Pope, the Church ... I was interested in understanding his point of view, while his only aim was to convert me (but I'm still Christian!). I can't put up with this behaviour! Everybody should have much more respect for the others' beliefs, and try to understand them!

We should also think more about what the consequences of this behaviour are, in terms of (lack of) peace.
Miss_muslima.I must convey the Clergyman s opinion honestly cuz he is more professional than me

.Of course it doese not require permission.

Miss Muslima, I'm sorry, but you are very much mistaken. It DOES require permission to copy and paste large passages of text unless the copyright owner has expressly given permission. One of the sites you quoted from did give permission, as long as the copyright information was pasted in too. I had to go do that for you, because you did not.
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I can't agree more with anon that this forum should be the forum to practise and learn English nothing more than that. I can accept any topic to be discussed here including Religions, however, the topic should be secondary or even tertiary.

As a Muslim, I suggest sister Miss_Muslima to stick with the main purpose of this forum, which is for learning and practising english.

If and only if you have another main purpose like debating religions, I would not hesitate to help you find a website that is dedicated to discuss religions. Please do not be confused, I am proud to be a Muslim. I decided to choose Islam because, after some times of thinking, I found Islam is fit for me. Subjectively, I do "think" that Islam would fit with everybody in this world, but I don't consider everybody should become a Muslim. Remember that according to Qur'anic teaching There is no compulsion in religion. Emotion: big smile

Wassalamu alaikum
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