"Just because you want to go to the movies doesn't mean you can." "Just because you want to go to the movies, that doesn't mean you can."

I've heard and read both usages. Is one better than the other? The second one sounds more proper to me. But I've never found a discussion of this construction in any grammar book I've come across.

Thanks in advance for your input.
amr
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"Just because you want to go to the movies doesn't mean you can." "Just because you want to go to ... more proper to me. But I've never found a discussion of this construction in any grammar book I've come across.

The first sounds better to me; it turns "just because etc" into a noun-equivalent and says "x doesn't mean y"...the second is acceptable but less elegant because it refuses to treat the whole phrase as a part of speech unto itself..
I'm now dealing with a particularly vicious case of STS because (just because) I remember an old song that ends with the words "because, just because" and Google isn't helping me identify it...I think that's also the title, in my mind I definitely hear a banjo strumming along, and it looks like Elvis and Paul McCartney have both recorded it..r
"Just because you want to go to the movies doesn't mean you can." "Just because you want to go to ... never found a discussion of this construction in any grammar book I've come across. Thanks in advance for your input.

Go with the first one. I don't discuss grammar; I only use it.
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"Just because you want to go to the movies doesn't ... book I've come across. Thanks in advance for your input.

Go with the first one. I don't discuss grammar; I only use it.

Absolutely. No discussions here. Yelling about Popes and stuff, but no discussion of construction, except flyways, of course.
"Just because you want to go to the movies doesn't mean you can." "Just because you want to go to ... never found a discussion of this construction in any grammar book I've come across. Thanks in advance for your input.

The second one is the only version permissible in British English, so award yourself a gold star.
Matti
I'm now dealing with a particularly vicious case of STS because (just because) I remember an old song that ends ... mind I definitely hear a banjo strumming along, and it looks like Elvis and Paul McCartney have both recorded it..r

Do you have Windows Media Player?

Mike Barnes
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R H Draney wrote, in part:
I'm now dealing with a particularly vicious case of STS because (just because) I remember an old song that ends ... mind I definitely hear a banjo strumming along, and it looks like Elvis and Paul McCartney have both recorded it..r

Well, there are (sort of) two songs here: "Just Because" and "You'll Miss Me When I'm Gone."
The first is the old country song, which is also recorded as a polka. Here's a midi of the polka:
http://www.grandpaschober.com/because.mid
The words (1st verse):
Just because you think you're so pretty
Now just because you think you're so hot
Just because you think you've got something
That no other girl has got
You caused me to spend all my money
You laughed and called me old Santa Claus
But I'm telling you honey I'm through with you because, just because

YOU'LL MISS ME WHEN I'M GONE
When I come to think of it baby,
there's nothing much that you've really got,
When you wake up early in the morning,
Gee but you don't look so hot
I'm waving goodbye honey,
you'll miss your old Santa Claus
you're going to grieve while
I'm laughing up my sleeve
because, just because
Maybe you think that you're a honey,
maybe you think that you are hot
but I've got a little bit of something baby,
something that you haven't got
you're gonna miss me honey,
you'll miss your old Santa Claus,
how about the dough, honey when I go
because just because.
I'm gonna tell you a little something baby,
something that you never knew
there's a million gals a-waiting,
just to take the place of you
you need a little education
from your old Santa Claus
I'm telling you, that I'm through with you,
because, just because.
For more info (including mention of "Frank (whom we know as "Frankie") Yankovic," see":
http://www.ohek.co.uk/history/justbecause.htm
Maria Conlon, who likes Country/Bluegrass, Polkas, and Elvis.
"Just because you want to go to the movies doesn't ... book I've come across. Thanks in advance for your input.

The second one is the only version permissible in British English, so award yourself a gold star. Matti

Not so fast, there Matti. The first one is the only version I've heard in the U.S. (from native speakers of AmE), so "A.M." may want to think a bit more about this matter. (The Verizon email address signals "U.S." to me, but I could be wrong.)
IOW, that gold star may be only silver or bronze. Location counts.

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Mike Barnes filted:

Do you have Windows Media Player?

Seems to be the one, but I still can't find it in Lissauer...there are two listed called "Just Because", one ... "Because", there are several possibilities...I'll have to check my Perry Como collection to see if it's the one from 1902..r

I'm not sure what it is you're still looking for. If you want the lyrics and the writers, try Googling "lyrics elvis just-because". The first hit gives:
(words & music by B. Shelton - J. Shelton - S. Robin)

Well, well, well,
Just because you think you're so pretty,
And just because your momma thinks you're hot,
Well, just because you think you've got something
That no other girl has got,
You've caused me to spend all my money.
You laughed and called me old Santa Claus.
Well, I'm telling you,
Baby, I'm through with you.
Because, well well, just because.
Well, well, well,
There'll come a time when you'll be lonesome
And there'll come a time when you'll be blue.
Well, there'll come a time when old Santa
He won't pay your bills for you.
You've caused me to lose all my women
And now, now you say we are through.
Well, I'm telling you
Baby, I was through with you
A long long time ago.
Well, just because you think you're so pretty
And just because your mama thinks you're the hottest thing in town
Well, just because you think you've got something
That nobody else has got,
You've caused me to spend all of my money.
Honey, you laughed and called me your old Santa Claus. Well, I'm telling you I'm through with you
Because, well well, just because.

Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
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