Hello Friends,

Let's discuss about infamous Kashmir problem.

This problem persists since it started during the independence of India. Even after some 57 years of independence it ceases to get solved.

As a new turn to this problem, Gen. Musharraf has come up with new ideas, but with fewer fanfare.

Do you think the recent CBM's will pave a way to solve this historic problem?
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Hi bvpraveen,
I've not heard about the new ideas, can you tell what are this ideas and why: "but with fewer fanfare"? The only thing I know is that there are many problems overthere but unfortunately news paper or on TV forget to speak about some kinds of problem. Nevertheless I reckon that they can not speak of everything or news would last for ages ^0) May be would it be a good thing?

Anyway and what is the recent CBM, hope you will help me to overcome this lack of knowledge, sorry

Wishes,
Sharann
Glad to discuss those issues with you, Sharann.

Firstly, since Independence the relationship between these two rival countries are not good. There had been more than a couple of wars and the recent attack on the Indian parliament aggravated the situation.

Thanks to the efforts of former PM Vajpayee, his efforts aided in furthering detente beween these two countries. Even the incumbent government is doing far better. The countries involved in improving their status by adopting certain CBM's like :
1) Srinagar-Mushaffarabad bus service.
2) Talks on Siachen.
3) Talks on Iran-Pakisthan-India gas pipeline, and a lot more.

'but with fewer fanfare': His recent remarks of 'identifying certain areas and demilitarising' has taken several people aback. He is well-known for introducing new ideas.

Hope this helps.
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Hi Praveen,

Could you elaborate, How the Kashmir problem started?, By whom?, When? and Why?

Unless you discuss these things first it wouldn't be wise to argue further. For this you have to refer histories back B.C. periods to present day. How various kingdoms spread across the Indian continent?. How the society evovled around these places?. Who invaded the society?. And many things ........................

I am not good historian either to say this. But we can/should/must not discuss Kashmir Problem with the present day situation. This is my personal opinion.

MSN.
Hi Senthilvelann,
Mind you but I'm sure that I'm not the only one in this case, meaning don't really know or understand what's happening in Kashmir. And may it is the good place to talk about it. This is the 'controversial subjects' as everyone of us is informed to take care what we say or write here.
Praveen is just askink us what we think about those problem. If we're going in your way we should not speak about Iraq or different problem as you can find in this section.

Praveen, thank for elements given, it help me to try to understand about it... Speak soon
Sharann
Ofcourse you are right, Senthil - we can't discuss in-depth without knowing its background.

I'm afraid I can't elaborate on how it all started as it will steal our precious time. In a nutshell during Independence, the then Kashmir king wanted it to be independent state. Thanks to Pakisthan, it tried to occupy it and soon the Indian government 're-occupied' about half of the region. The still unsolvable problem is - To whom does Kashmir belong. Both countries declare that it belongs to them. The two governments are trying to solve it for the past 55 years, but to no avail.

Kashmir's problem is the thorn in the flesh for both countries.
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Hi Sharann,

I didn't mean we should not discuss the "Kashmir Problem" altogether. What I meant was, to discuss the issue we should know its inception first. Otherwise discussing the present embroglio won't form a good discussion at all. That is why I asked Mr.Praveen to give the details. But he replied that he could not elaborate and the elaboration would steal our precious time. So my humble request is we should not argue for the sake of argument. Otherwise any knowledgeable person on world history see this thread would laugh us for our misunderstanding.

If I have details, I would definetely provide you.

msn
History of Jammu Kashmir:

Jammu and Kashmir came into being as a single political and geographical entity following the Treaty of Amristar between the British Government and Gulab singh signed on March 16, 1846. The Treaty handed over the control of the Kashmir State to the Dogra ruler of Jammu who had earlier annexed Ladakh. Thus a new State comprising three distinct religions of Jammu, Kashmir and Ladakh was formed with Maharaja Gulab Singh as its founder ruler. The feudal dispensation in the State, however, was too harsh for the people to live under and towards the end of a hundred years of this rule when their Indian brethren were fighting for independence from the British under the inspiring leadership of Mahatma Gandhi and Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru, the Kashmiris led by a towering personality, the Sher-I-Kashmir Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah, rose against the autocracy. The autocratic rule came down heavily on the people’s freedom movement. However, the people laid their lives in the cause of freedom and to uphold the ideals of secularism, equality, democracy and brotherhood.

The high point of the movement was July 13, 1931 when 22 protesters were martyred. The event strengthened the movement and contrary to the expectations of the then rulers, the peopled emerged more determined in their resolution to seek an end to autocratic rule. By the time the rulers could realise the futility of breaking the will of the people with the might of the State, the National Conference, headed by Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah, had become a mass movement and a force to reckon with. It broke the barriers of region and religion and became a popular and secular voice of the people of the State whose collective yearning was freedom from autocracy and the establishment of a popular rule. The people’s movement spearheaded by the National Conference saw several ups and downs with its leaders particularly the Sher-I-Kashmir suffering vissitudes and long internment.
Accession:

Jammu and Kashmir was one of about 565 princely States of India on which the British paramountcy lapsed at the stroke of midnight on August 15, 1947. While the power was transferred to the people in British India, the rulers of the princely States were given an option to join either of the two Dominions – India or Pakistan.

The Government of India Act 1935, as adopted in the Indian Independence Act, 1947, provided, "An Indian State shall be deemed to have acceded to the Dominion if the Governor General has signified the acceptance of an Instrument of Accession executed by the rule thereof." India, Pakistan and even Britain were party to these provisions. So the choice of joining either of the Dominions was left to the Rulers of the States concerned. Moreover, in the Indian Independence Act, 1947, there was no provision for any conditional accession.

msn
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