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I recall asking for Worcestershire sauce in Jakarta. After a ... Inggeris". I eventually learned to ask for "Lea Perrin". Izzy

At the Vicksburg Nattional Military Park in Vicksburg Mississippi the ironclad warship the U.S.S.Cairo {prononced KAYRO} on display{sunk in 1863 ... a Lea & Perrins bottle, they have not changed the shape or size of of the bottlein all this time.

http://www.justinwilson.com / Couldn't help but think of this old guy, "Zhoos tan", and how he pronounced "laya ay perran". "Hooeee! How y'all are?"
I don't recall when Charles became a vegetarian. I do remember him bemoaning the lack of good fillet steak in Ireland.

Fran is totally correct. While I bemoan the fact I enjoy the taste of dead cooked animals, I haven't entirely ... a man not anywhere near the East or even the West Coast, eats at least one bloody steak a week.

I should be so rich, Charles.
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Interesting - both versions are common here. I say HARass ... the time that the Cagney and Lacey series was broadcast.

I must admit that "kilOMeter" gets up my nose. How did this start? Is "speedometer" a sufficient explanation? And why is it not simply a "speedmeter"?

Where do the French stress "kilometer(re)"? As I recall, the Spanish stress the second syllable.
And I think some very cool wordmasters were waiting for the Speedo to come along.
Perhaps we should just fall into line with the Yanks and call them "klicks".

That's military talk, I think, and relatively recent.
As for "ketchup" being the same as "tomato sauce," this is definitely not so in the US. The two are ... can (1) and is used as a base (along with tomato paste) for making spaghetti sauce ("pasta sauce" to some).

Not to confuse this further, but I want to emphasize that for me, at least, that final product that you're calling "spaghetti sauce" or "pasta sauce" *is* the primary meaning of "tomato sauce".

Tomato sauce isn't just used with pasta. Although precise recipes differ, in southern Italian-based foods it's used in lots of non-pasta things. What do you call the tomato sauce found on pizza? (I realize that, as a Michigander, you only have "pizza", but let's ignore the distinction for the moment.) You might speak of "pizza sauce". And what if you make polenta and serve it with some sort of tomato-based sauce? Is that "polenta sauce"? You need some sort of common name for these things.
My response to Richard's statement (that before "pasta sauce" was marketed, ketchup was used on spaghetti) was a disbelieving "WHAT??!!" ... be a reasonable time saver (making spaghetti sauce from scratch not being a quick process) but the results were yucky.)

As we used to say back in Riga: See how you are?
The terms "spaghetti sauce" and "pasta sauce" for tomato sauce strike me as being goyishe (NTTAWWT) (not least because there's lots of non-tomato sauces one can use with pasta, though I think I noted in another posting that tomato sauce is sort of normative).
I must admit that "kilOMeter" gets up my nose. How ... sufficient explanation? And why is it not simply a "speedmeter"?

Where do the French stress "kilometer(re)"? As I recall, the Spanish stress the second syllable.

It's rather like KEELo-mettre but the stress is very slight.

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Yes, but as we've observed before, that misses out a ... Heinz's (sic) Baked Beans in Tomato Sauce were already established.

The Heinz baked beans type of tomato sauce is still anothercategory. It's not ketchup, and it's not tomato sauce in the common modern sense.

Sorry: didn't make myself clear. I only meant to show that Heinz was known in Br in 1906, and I quoted the whole label simply for completeness. The tomato bit was an unintentional red herring. (But if you want me to get started on tinned herrings in tomato sauce and their significance in the later British Empire, I could do you a riff with a bit of advance notice. Our family has quite a funny story, but it would help if you knew my Lyle grandmother.)

Mike.
"Iskandar Baharuddin" >

I recall asking for Worcestershire sauce in Jakarta. After a ... Inggeris". I eventually learned to ask for "Lea Perrin". Izzy

At the Vicksburg Nattional Military Park in Vicksburg Mississippi the ironclad warship the U.S.S.Cairo {prononced KAYRO} on display{sunk in 1863 ... Lea & Perrins bottle, they have not changed the shape or size of of the bottle in all this time.

You don't change a winning team. Except, to my regret, the stuff now has a plastic dripper insert instead of the old ground-glass stopper. Did they taste the contents of the bottle they salvaged?

Mike.
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Balderdash!

Ditto...there are plenty of independent butcher stores here in sunny Arizona...it's just that the sign on the window is more likely to say "carniceria"..r

Ditto here in the Bay Area. Schaub's Meat, Fish and Poultry (in the Stanford Shopping Center) doesn't seem to call itself a "butcher store", but I don't know what else you'd call it maybe a "meat market", if that term hasn't been completely skunked.

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure I've ever been to a "butcher store". A "butcher shop", sure.

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I agree. I would never have made that latter association.

Nor would I. I'd say "... what salad cream is to mayonnaise", but I'm not sure whether salad cream is known in America.

Robin
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