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So? Tough luck? We won the war. I don't see the Germans and Italians and Japanese doing so horribly since losing. I don't get why you're implying that Jews WEREN'T on the winning side of WW2...

That's an interesting concept to think about: were the Jews on any side in WW2? Was a German Jew on the German "side" even though he opposed the German government-in-place and was not a combatant? Other German civilians would be considered to be on the German "side" even though they opposed the war. Is there a special category for a persecuted member of the civilian population?
They're unrelated to full moons, thank goodness: twelve a year would be a bit much.

Last night was the second full moon in July. According to some, that made it a "blue moon". The relationship of the color blue to two full moons in a calendar month escapes me.

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That's an interesting concept to think about: were the Jews on any side in WW2? Was a German Jew on ... "side" even though they opposed the war. Is there a special category for a persecuted member of the civilian population?

I think you're wrong. Just because your country is fighting a war doesn't mean that the civilians are on the same side as their dictators. So Damn Insane's "people" weren't on the Iraqi "side" of the Iraqi war and German Jews, as well as most Germans period, weren't on Hitler's side. Technically, in both wars, it was really the entire world against one lunatic.
That's an interesting concept to think about: were the Jews ... special category for a persecuted member of the civilian population?

I think you're wrong. Just because your country is fighting a war doesn't mean that the civilians are on the ... most Germans period, weren't on Hitler's side. Technically, in both wars, it was really the entire world against one lunatic.

Do you think that the children or grandchildren of the decent Iraqi civilians would ever apologize for the crimes of Saddam?
Arcadia:
Do you think that the children or grandchildren of the decent Iraqi civilians would ever apologize for the crimes of Saddam?

Nope. It's not their fault that he was a nut. They shouldn't apologise for him any more than I* should apologise for him. Maybe GOD should apologise to all of us for him, but that's about it. I don't see why you'd except innocents to apologise for the actions of an *individual that they hated all along.
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Arcadia:

Do you think that the children or grandchildren of the decent Iraqi civilians would ever apologize for the crimes of Saddam?

Nope. It's not their fault that he was a nut. They shouldn't apologise for him any more than I* should ... I don't see why you'd except innocents to apologise for the actions of an *individual that they hated all along.

Is it enough to "hate" such an individual, or is one only absolved of the need to apologize if one did what one could to actively oppose his actions?

Mike Nitabach
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Nope. It's not their fault that he was a nut. ... the actions of an individual that they hated all along.

Is it enough to "hate" such an individual, or is one only absolved of the need to apologize if one did what one could to actively oppose his actions?

Don't be ridiculous! We all know that the Iraqis couldn't have done anything about So Damn. We were the only ones who could, and thank God we did. Two countries down. 300-ish-ish to go! It is our responsibility to help those people who aren't able to fight for themselves. Like I said, should we expect German people to forever apologise for Hitler, whites to forever apologise for slavery, and blacks to forever apologise for Al Sharpton?! Hells no! To expect such things is racism, plain and simple.
They're unrelated to full moons, thank goodness: twelve a year would be a bit much.

Last night was the second full moon in July. According to some, that made it a "blue moon". The relationship of the color blue to two full moons in a calendar month escapes me.

The AHD (at http://www.bartleby.com/61/70/B0347000.html ) says the following about 'blue moon':
NOUN:
1a. The second of two full moons occurring in the same month. b. The third full moon in a three-month calendrical season that has four full moons.

2. (Informal) A relatively long period of time: "I haven'tseen you in a blue moon."
ETYMOLOGY:
Sense 2, probably from the rare occurrence whereby the moon appears blue from high amounts of dust in the atmosphere, as from a volcanic eruption.

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Arcadia: Nope. It's not their fault that he was a ... the actions of an individual that they hated all along.

Is it enough to "hate" such an individual, or is one only absolved of the need to apologize if one did what one could to actively oppose his actions?[/nq]Will people for God's sake get it out of their heads that Saddam is a nutcase? He is not a nutcase (well, he probably needs a lot of medication now: so would anybody else). He's a particularly nasty gangster boss quite rationally risen to the top of a country (which was an inherently unstable artificial British invention after the collapse of somebody else's empire in the first place) by reason of massive Western support, because the US got it into their geo-politically-impaired heads that Iran was a threat to world stability.

Iran was not a threat to world or even regional stability, and only a minor threat to Iraq; letting it settle down would have shown it wasn't a threat to oil supplies either: a major oil-dependent economy isn't a threat to oil supplies, for Pete's sake: they need the money. Ditto Iraq. (American farmers are a threat to grain-supplies? Australian vine-growers are a threat to wine-supplies? AUE is a threat to hot-air-supplies?)
The comparison of Saddam to Hitler whose career suggests he was no nutcase either, but just a very skilful big-time *** who got power takes us ever further from a rational solution of the problems we have to solve.
We've got to stop characterizing mere everyday shits as "nuts". There are bastards out there: but they think, and they think logically. We have to find out what the logic is: and it's not usually very difficult.
Mike.
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