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Nitabach:

Is it enough to "hate" such an individual, or is ... one did what one could to actively oppose his actions?

Don't be ridiculous! We all know that the Iraqis couldn't have done anything about So Damn. We were the only ... countries down. 300-ish-ish to go! It is our responsibility to help those people who aren't able to fight for themselves.

Like you helped the Vietnamese get independence from the French? The US is not always on the right side.

Richard Bollard
Canberra, Australia
I wondered about the capitalization. I would have no question ... "Resistance", though, just didn't look right all naked and uncapitalized.

I was talking about a unit that resisted but wasn't part of the organized Resistance. No criticism, or even comment, intended with regard to your usage.

Ah, but it provided opportunity to discuss usage. That usually meets with resistance here. So, which is it? "He was a member of the resistance." or "He was a member of the Resistance."?

Does it depend on whether or not the cells were connected as one - even loose - organization? If each cell was totally independent, would it still be "the Resistance"?
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Since it isn't a concept, it can't be interesting or, ... about, as you suggest, since you can't think about nothing.

That, too, is an interesting concept. Why can't "Jews were on the winning side" (the obverse of his statement) be a concept? (concept = a thought or a notion; something conceived in the mind)

Some questions, such as 'Were Jews on any side in WW2', aren't worth entertaining. They have so little entertainment value, in fact, they can't be considered concepts. Concepts, if worth talking about, have to have some possibility they reflect reality.
Why is it "nothing"?

Why one can't think about nothing is a difficult question to answer. I, personally, can't answer it yet.
Many Jewish people joined the Resistance, naturally enough. I don't know of any who signed up for the Nazi Party.

You think? Whoo! Another interesting concept. How could a Jew join the Resistance in Germany?

ObAUE question: When one speaks of the Resistance, capital R, isn't it safe to assume that the French resistance is being referred to, if no other resistance movement is mentioned?
Wasn't being a member of the Resistance supposed to be a secret from the government? It wasn't easy for a ... not welcome a Jew. It would kind of tip-off the government that the people involved were up to no good.

As you said, resistance movements are highly secret. You answered your own question, my dear.

Charles Riggs
I became acquainted with Ms. Kempner about a dozen years ago when I used her first name in a crossword ... demon researcher; not a bad editor and director, for that matter. Bob Lieblich Who has touched the hem of greatness

Nothing else on her, I hope. Has Mrs Bob found out?

Charles Riggs
You don't have to be a citizen of a country to commit treason against that country..

I believe you do.

Charles Riggs
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On 3 Aug 2004 04:51:45 GMT, CyberCypher
Richard Bollard wrote on 03 Aug 2004:

Like you helped the Vietnamese get independence from the French?

The French weren't Communist; the Vietnamese fighting the French were socialists. To the idiots runniing the US government in the '40s and '50s, there was no difference.

Let me think. Oh yeah, FDR was running the US government during much of the 40s, Truman later. Real idiots, uh-huh. I could almost agree with you about Ike though.
Socialists and Communists were always on the wrong side.

Not true of the Socialists back in the 30s the 40s, if you remember how popular FDR's programs were.
Please try to get your facts straight, Franke, when criticizing the US. It has done some bad things along with the good things, something I don't remember you ever giving the government there credit for.

Charles Riggs
I was talking about a unit that resisted but wasn't ... criticism, or even comment, intended with regard to your usage.

Ah, but it provided opportunity to discuss usage. That usually meets with resistance here. So, which is it? "He was ... connected as one - even loose - organization? If each cell was totally independent, would it still be "the Resistance"?

I'm quite sure some of the cells were totally independent. For the type of work they did, that is often the best way to keep it. What's the best way for a secret to become widely known? Answer: tell it to someone.

Charles Riggs
Charles Riggs wrote on 03 Aug 2004:
Richard Bollard wrote on 03 Aug 2004: The French ... government in the '40s and '50s, there was no difference.

Let me think. Oh yeah, FDR was running the US government during much of the 40s, Truman later. Real idiots, uh-huh. I could almost agree with you about Ike though.

The people who run the US government are not the presidents but the bureaucrats, Charles. The elimination of the spoils sytem back in Andy Jackson's time (or was it just after after his time) ensured continuity in that part of the government which was neither elected nor appointed. Government policy has always been politically conservative, and ever since the US government threatened to kill Samuel Compers unless he shifted his focus from social change to the bread-and-butter issues of wages and working conditions, the government has been rabidly anti- socialist and anti-Communist. That ideological blind spot has caused a great deal of grief for the American people
Socialists and Communists were always on the wrong side.

Not true of the Socialists back in the 30s the 40s, if you remember how popular FDR's programs were.

I hope you're not calling FDR a Socialist. He was a Democrat. The only people who call him a Socialist are radical right-wing Republicans, and the only reason those very same Republicans haven't eliminated Social Security is that they would have forced the creation of a new political party by having done so. That particular socialistic program has gone from being Socialism to some kind of human right.
Please try to get your facts straight, Franke, when criticizing the US. It has done some bad things along with the good things, something I don't remember you ever giving the government there credit for.

I'm really trying very hard to think of good things that the US government has done, things that are not analogous to the good behavior that military personnel are expected to demonstrate in order to receive an Honorable Discharge. It's really difficult. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the 13th and 14th Amendments, the attempt to enforce some civil rights legislation in the 1960s. What else is there? The Interstate Highway system?
I'm hard-pressed to find anything that the great bureaucracy has done to make my life easier. I don't consider the politicians the government, just the elected representatives of business and, on rare occasion, the people. But I don't fault the USA for that failing: it's the way things work everywhere in the world governments give you back a dime in value for every dollar they take in taxes in order to work for your benefit.
State and local governments may have contributed to my welfare in some ways, but the only good thing the US government ever gave me was my GI Bill benefits for graduate school, a not inconsiderable benefit, I admit.

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Ah, but it provided opportunity to discuss usage. That usually ... cell was totally independent, would it still be "the Resistance"?

I'm quite sure some of the cells were totally independent. For the type of work they did, that is often the best way to keep it. What's the best way for a secret to become widely known? Answer: tell it to someone.

The French, we are credibly informed, have a word for it. The adjective résistant , and very helpful it is in these cases.

Mike.
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